Kimber1911_06238
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theya re both fine SD calibers. go with the gun you like more and take a look at ammo prices. can't go wrong with either
10 mm vs .45 ACP, Which Should I Purchase?
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p85
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Pick up a Witness in either 10 or 45 and buy the upper in the opposite cal. Try them both and shoot whatever you feel best with. I shoot the 10 and occasionally pop a 40 barrel in to save some money. I'm thinking of ordering the 45 upper soon. I have owned them all and can say that it is a matter of personal choice not what others will tell you. With proper placement, they all get the job done.
MCgunner
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Me, personally, no Glocks. I'd go DA decocker. I like my Ruger P90, perfect, love it, just wish I could get one in 10mm. The 10mm is MUCH more powerful than any other reasonable, available in a reasonably sized carry gun, auto pistol cartridge. It's a .357 magnum with a bigger bullet, how could you miss with that? Ruger will likely never make the P90 in 10, but if they decide to, I'll be in front of the line waiting on mine.
If all you want is self defense with the gun, the .45 is really hard to beat. I see the 10 as an outdoor caliber for autoloaders and it's a danged fine self defense caliber loaded to +P .45 levels (light for a 10, say a 180 grain to about 1100 fps), too, sorta like a .357 mag in an autoloader or more like a 4" .41 mag, but in an autoloader because to reach 10mm levels, the .357 needs a 6" plus barrel.
JMHO, of course.
If all you want is self defense with the gun, the .45 is really hard to beat. I see the 10 as an outdoor caliber for autoloaders and it's a danged fine self defense caliber loaded to +P .45 levels (light for a 10, say a 180 grain to about 1100 fps), too, sorta like a .357 mag in an autoloader or more like a 4" .41 mag, but in an autoloader because to reach 10mm levels, the .357 needs a 6" plus barrel.
JMHO, of course.
iiibdsiil-- Is thre any reason that you are not looking into 357 Sig?
I'm not saying it's better than either the .45, or 10mm.
Just that it opens up the door to more power than the 9mm, and does not limit your platforms nearly as much. Everyone makes a .357sig. Not so for the 10 and 45's which need a larger frame (although there are PLENTY of platforms for the 45)
I'm not saying it's better than either the .45, or 10mm.
Just that it opens up the door to more power than the 9mm, and does not limit your platforms nearly as much. Everyone makes a .357sig. Not so for the 10 and 45's which need a larger frame (although there are PLENTY of platforms for the 45)
I'd definitely go with 45ACP. I've only shot a couple of 10mm guns and there seemed to be nothing about it that would make me want one. There are just so many more choices for gun and ammo with 45 and you will be glad you went that way in the long run.
mpmarty
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10MM without a doubt!
You hear all kinds of stuff on the internet but you never seem to hear the critical differences in self defense performance in a semi auto pistol. Stop and consider that the 200gr 10mm loaded to original factory specs is moving at a bit over 1200 fps and has such a high sectional density (diameter vs weight) and BC (Ballistic Coefficient) that it is absolute flat shooting out beyond one hundred yards. It has more retained energy and much better stopping power at all ranges than the venerable 45 which is by no means a slouch at stopping the bad guys. I have never understood the very high percentages of one shot stops attributed to the 40 S&W the bullets are lead and copper gilding metal same as a 45, the velocity is nothing special compared to a 45 yet the 40 seems to have gained some supernatural powers of stopping assailants better than either the fast and light 357 or slow and heavy 45. My considered opinion? Go with the fast and heavy 10mm.
You hear all kinds of stuff on the internet but you never seem to hear the critical differences in self defense performance in a semi auto pistol. Stop and consider that the 200gr 10mm loaded to original factory specs is moving at a bit over 1200 fps and has such a high sectional density (diameter vs weight) and BC (Ballistic Coefficient) that it is absolute flat shooting out beyond one hundred yards. It has more retained energy and much better stopping power at all ranges than the venerable 45 which is by no means a slouch at stopping the bad guys. I have never understood the very high percentages of one shot stops attributed to the 40 S&W the bullets are lead and copper gilding metal same as a 45, the velocity is nothing special compared to a 45 yet the 40 seems to have gained some supernatural powers of stopping assailants better than either the fast and light 357 or slow and heavy 45. My considered opinion? Go with the fast and heavy 10mm.
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10mm all the way
Pick the platform first as others have said. You will not be dissapointed with the 10mm. Very versatile and powerful round. 135-165gr rounds rarely have overpenetration as an issue in SD applications. The 10mm has 357mag ballistic equivalence in an autoloading platform. You can also generally get conversion barrels for .40 and 357sig which load without a mag or extractor change. I like the G-20 and G-29, but you have to find out what works for you.
Pick the platform first as others have said. You will not be dissapointed with the 10mm. Very versatile and powerful round. 135-165gr rounds rarely have overpenetration as an issue in SD applications. The 10mm has 357mag ballistic equivalence in an autoloading platform. You can also generally get conversion barrels for .40 and 357sig which load without a mag or extractor change. I like the G-20 and G-29, but you have to find out what works for you.
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iiibdsiil
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Thanks for all the info guys! I'm gonna see how I like shooting the 10 mm before I make any decisions. I agree if I am not comfortable with the platform, then there is no point in buying it. I also agree .45 is plenty, and in all honesty, my 9 mm is probably plenty. I'm just one of those people that kinda feel like I want to make sure it will work, even if it's going overboard. But at the same time, I realize that 10 hits of .45 is going to be better then 4 hits of 10 mm if I can't control the thing.
.357Sig never crossed my mind. I may look into that one too.
I'm scared of the 1911s because I don't want to get addicted to the crack habit like everyone else. I don't need another money drainer!
Thanks for the search recommendation too, I didn't think to put the 10 and mm together. :banghead:
.357Sig never crossed my mind. I may look into that one too.
I'm scared of the 1911s because I don't want to get addicted to the crack habit like everyone else. I don't need another money drainer!
Thanks for the search recommendation too, I didn't think to put the 10 and mm together. :banghead:
Personally, I'd say to go with a full size double-stack 9, so you can share ammo with your Kahr. That's why my primary pieces are a Glock 23 and MK40.
Personally, I prefer .40 over either .45 or 10 mm. More magazine capacity than .45, less recoil than 10mm.
Personally, I prefer .40 over either .45 or 10 mm. More magazine capacity than .45, less recoil than 10mm.
Witness
Well from what you have stated the only major gunmaker to choose from is the Witness if you go with 10mm. Due to the fact you don't prefer Glocks and you don't like grip safety's and 1911's. The Witness can be had in a compact frame but it really depends on what you like. To me the compact Witness grip is a little too big, especially when considering it for concealed carry. I personally would go with the fullsize Witness if I were to go 10mm, it would be tamer and could also work as a more efficient/accurate hunting weapon. 10mm fans seem to love the Witness line.
The .45 gives you more options in the platform of your choice and more places to purchase ammo in a bind.
You may want to do some shooting before you decide, there are probably plenty of people who would be more than willing to let you shoot their weapons before you make a $500+ investment that you will be disappointed in. You may even find someone on THR that could help you out. The .45 is probably the most practical, but being practical is not for everyone and isn't always the most fun.
Good Luck and Be Safe!
Well from what you have stated the only major gunmaker to choose from is the Witness if you go with 10mm. Due to the fact you don't prefer Glocks and you don't like grip safety's and 1911's. The Witness can be had in a compact frame but it really depends on what you like. To me the compact Witness grip is a little too big, especially when considering it for concealed carry. I personally would go with the fullsize Witness if I were to go 10mm, it would be tamer and could also work as a more efficient/accurate hunting weapon. 10mm fans seem to love the Witness line.
The .45 gives you more options in the platform of your choice and more places to purchase ammo in a bind.
You may want to do some shooting before you decide, there are probably plenty of people who would be more than willing to let you shoot their weapons before you make a $500+ investment that you will be disappointed in. You may even find someone on THR that could help you out. The .45 is probably the most practical, but being practical is not for everyone and isn't always the most fun.
Good Luck and Be Safe!
Well in your original post you said ammo prices don't matter since you have a 9mm. So I'd say 10mm, How many people hunt with a .45acp?,...proof that the 10mm has plenty of stopping power. I have only shot a EAA Witness in 10mm, but was very impressed, and they are cheaper than a Glock to boot. Personally I want a Glock 29 though.
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