10mm 1911

JDeere said:
1200 will get you close to a Delta Elite. Worth the few extra coins...
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In no way shape or form is a delta elite worth its weight in horse dung. Had one, and would never suggest it to anybody. If Glock chamber support concerns a man, then similar (possibly worse) chamber support for a high pressure cartridge that people like to hot rod should be an instant and firm hell no. It was for me, and mine went down the road quickly.

Literally everybody else doing a 10mm 1911 has better chamber support and therefore a safer product.

Now for a quick history lesson. 10mm was dreamed up and sought after for government agency distribution including FBI. The government contract interest drove companies to essentially have a dragrace to market. Colt won the race by simply sticking a different barrel in the 1911, changing magazine feedlips to make that work for the skinny round, and then beefing up the recoil spring when the gun beat itself to death. Everybody else actually developed a platform for the round… Colt said “hold my beer” then proceeded to use a pry bar and a pair of pliers. Because of their halfassery they beat everybody else to market and got big contracts for a pistol that should never have made it to market. They quickly found out that the 10mm was too much for the frames and had to make minor modifications to the way that they made some of the cuts which essentially had previously directed all of the forces to a tiny point and caused the frames to break. Shortly after this Bren and S&W made it to market with better products and anybody with any sense whatsoever traded in their delta for anything else.

But yeah… prancing pony is the greatest ever… more like jumping jackass, or malcontent mule if you will.
 
I love my Delta Elite Gold Cup and have never had a problem with the unsupported chamber. My favorite 1911 in 10mm is my Springfield Armory Range Officer Elite Operator. I paid $1200 for mine.
 
WestKentucky said:
In no way shape or form is a delta elite worth its weight in horse dung. Had one, and would never suggest it to anybody. If Glock chamber support concerns a man, then similar (possibly worse) chamber support for a high pressure cartridge that people like to hot rod should be an instant and firm hell no. It was for me, and mine went down the road quickly.

Literally everybody else doing a 10mm 1911 has better chamber support and therefore a safer product.

Now for a quick history lesson. 10mm was dreamed up and sought after for government agency distribution including FBI. The government contract interest drove companies to essentially have a dragrace to market. Colt won the race by simply sticking a different barrel in the 1911, changing magazine feedlips to make that work for the skinny round, and then beefing up the recoil spring when the gun beat itself to death. Everybody else actually developed a platform for the round… Colt said “hold my beer” then proceeded to use a pry bar and a pair of pliers. Because of their halfassery they beat everybody else to market and got big contracts for a pistol that should never have made it to market. They quickly found out that the 10mm was too much for the frames and had to make minor modifications to the way that they made some of the cuts which essentially had previously directed all of the forces to a tiny point and caused the frames to break. Shortly after this Bren and S&W made it to market with better products and anybody with any sense whatsoever traded in their delta for anything else.

But yeah… prancing pony is the greatest ever… more like jumping jackass, or malcontent mule if you will.
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You need to revise your history. The 10mm was the brainchild of Jeff Cooper working with others. It first came out in 1983, and originally in the Dornus and Dixon Bren 10. The company failed, primarily due to inability to deliver magazines, or functional pistols.
Colt picked it up in 1986, and released the Delta Elite. It was poorly adapted to the Norma ammunition which was loaded to far above current SAAMI specifications (Norma uses C.I.P. standards].
The FBI adopted the S&W 1076 a shortened d/an only version of the 1006 in 1990, using reduced power ammunition. (180gr bullet @1,050fps vs 1,350fps).

I was an early adopter and a huge supporter of the 10mm. I had a 1006 that was a brute of a gun and well suited to the original 10mm Norma ammo. A Glock G20 10mm wouldn’t stand the Norma ammo, nor my duplicate handloads. I sold both as I was actively shooting NRA PPC and needed suitably accurate pistols.
 
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GooseGestapo said:
You need to revise your history. The 10mm was the brainchild of Jeff Cooper working with others. It first came out in 1983, and originally in the Dornus and Dixon Bren 10. The company failed, primarily due to inability to deliver magazines, or functional pistols.
Colt picked it up in 1986, and released the Delta Elite. It was poorly adapted to the Norma ammunition which was loaded to far above current SAAMI specifications (Norma uses C.I.P. standards].
The FBI adopted the S&W 1076 a shortened d/an only version of the 1006 in 1990, using reduced power ammunition.
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Ok, Bren may have made the first pistols, but while trying to mass market they were developing the production abilities and died. Either way, Colt rushed the gun to production to be first to mass market. They took major shortcuts, and nearly 40 years later they still just flat don’t care. Doesn’t matter if Bill Dance and Jeff Foxworthy teamed up with Richard Petty as Colts competition, the point remains that they used their size and clout along with a pisspoor product to get a govt contract and just said that it’s good enough.
If a phillipino company can build one today that is arguably a better gun and sell it for 1/3 the price after paying tariffs and overseas freight then shame on Colt for not fixing the problem 30+ years ago.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out how Colt got away with this flaw when Glock did the same thing a few years later and got raked over the coals for it.

My point is made, I’m done in this thread.
 
WestKentucky said:
Ok, Bren may have made the first pistols, but while trying to mass market they were developing the production abilities and died. Either way, Colt rushed the gun to production to be first to mass market. They took major shortcuts, and nearly 40 years later they still just flat don’t care. Doesn’t matter if Bill Dance and Jeff Foxworthy teamed up with Richard Petty as Colts competition, the point remains that they used their size and clout along with a pisspoor product to get a govt contract and just said that it’s good enough.
If a phillipino company can build one today that is arguably a better gun and sell it for 1/3 the price after paying tariffs and overseas freight then shame on Colt for not fixing the problem 30+ years ago.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out how Colt got away with this flaw when Glock did the same thing a few years later and got raked over the coals for it.

My point is made, I’m done in this thread.
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What Government contact did Colt go after?
 
Sadly, my American made 1911 didn't hold up well to 10mm energies.

SR1911-10 barrel lower lug is cracked

Was cleaning my SR1911-10 after a range session and discovered that the barrel lower lug is cracked. I can see daylight clean through it. Sent a note to Ruger, and I await their response. I'm sure glad it didn't come apart as I was shooting it. Have you ever heard of this happening?
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Tisas D10 has an upswept beaver tail, crisp trigger, target sights, forged frame, series 70 firing pin, feed ramp on the barrel, memory bump on the grip safety all for $750.

Ruger SR1911 Target is the same but not two tone and Ruger branded.

Colt delta elite is my pet favorite.

A 1076 is neat but other better shooters are out there.

For value, the D10 can’t be beat.

I don’t touch or look at polymer 10mm guns. I can’t help you there.

Edit: scratch the Tisas. I don’t think it’s American. I guess I would recommend the Ruger. I’ve only typed about what I own. I don't look at or touch polymer striker fired 10mm.
 
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I bought a used Dan Wesson CBOB 10mm in (I think) 2017 for about $800. This particular unit had some case-mouth smashing issues (unforgiveable for a reloader cartridge like the 10mm), but that was resolved by a good 1911-smith for about $100. All good since then.
I see some for sale these days around $1200.
I haven't sold mine, despite the fact that it has appreciated by 50%...that might (or might not) tell you something.
I also would not be afraid of buying a Kimber 10mm if the price was right....
 
If I bought a 10mm 1911
I would buy a Rock Island Tac Ultra
Might as well get a high capacity gun.

It's only going to be a range gun for me since my EDC for 15+ years has been a Sig Sauer C3
 
S.Crockett said:
Well, if he wants American-made, the best, most durable all-steel 10mms are the S&W 10XX-series guns.
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Sure, the caveat is they weigh as much as a Sherman tank with a gravel road for a trigger.

Owned many back in the day but was made an offer I couldn’t refuse on my last remaining 1006. No longer in the 10mm game
 
When I was searching for a 10mm 1911, I wanted a commander-sized pistol for around $1000. I found the full-size Ronin locally and thought it was pretty nice. SA doesn't make the Ronin 10mm in a Commander version. So figured the full-size would work. I asked on a 1911 forum if there was anything as good as the Ronin for the same price, and someone said the Tisas D-10 was actually nicer and under $600. Made in Turkey, however. I bought one, and it is a great pistol and very accurate.

Ruger doesn't make a Commander 10mm 1911 either. In fact, there isn't a single Commander 10mm 1911 out there for under $2000, AFAIK.
 
OP don't let one bad opinion sway your opinion about Colt. There has been and always will be the haters whether it be Colt, Glock and so on. The Rugers or the Ronin should fit the bill as well. Good luck in your hunt and shoot often. 10mm is a great round...
 
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