1911 Safety Disengaging in Truck

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Hi all, I'm having an issue with my Ruger SR1911 CMD. When I go up to the northwoods I open carry in a galco owb holster. On my way up there and back home the gun (in its holster) goes in my driver's side door pocket upside down. (Mag facing straight up).

I got home the other day, took my gun out of the door pocket, and the safety was off. It is not loose, still has a very positive click on and off.

I'm not real sure what to do here. The obvious solution is to not keep it loaded in the truck, however if the lever can rattle enough to move the safety up and disengage it while driving I'm not sure I trust it when carrying it across rough terrain.

My ideas so far are; try to find a holster that covers the safety so that it can't move, turn my 1911 into a range toy, or sell it.

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Hi all, I'm having an issue with my Ruger SR1911 CMD. When I go up to the northwoods I open carry in a galco owb holster. On my way up there and back home the gun (in its holster) goes in my driver's side door pocket upside down. (Mag facing straight up).

I got home the other day, took my gun out of the door pocket, and the safety was off. It is not loose, still has a very positive click on and off.

I'm not real sure what to do here. The obvious solution is to not keep it loaded in the truck, however if the lever can rattle enough to move the safety up and disengage it while driving I'm not sure I trust it when carrying it across rough terrain.

My ideas so far are; try to find a holster that covers the safety so that it can't move, turn my 1911 into a range toy, or sell it.

What do you guys think?
I'm generally in the minority on this, but I almost always (certainly there could be something physically moving the safety) blame the thumb safety rather than the holster, but I'm usually referring to a gun worn on the person rather than one sitting loose in a truck.

My first option would be to wear the holstered gun. Second option would be to find another place to put the gun in the truck. Third option would be to have the gun in Condition 3 when in the truck.
 
There are several possibilities. If it still has the mag safety just drop the mag when you store it away. Or condition 3. Or rely on the grip safety. or get a holster that also has a thumb strap retention system. Or ...
 
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I'm kind of in agreement with those who think that maybe there's something about that particular holster, placed upside down in the door pocket, that might be causing the problem. Maybe try it with another holster to see if it happens again.
 
That was my first thought, but by no means is the safety weak or loose or floppy. I don't think replacing any parts on the gun would make a difference.
 
No mag saftey, I'd rather just unload it before carrying condition 3. Way too much memory muscle for that to be safe if I ever needed to use it.

Most thumb breaks would cover/depress the grip safety.
 
Has this happened multiple times or just once? If a regular occurrence you need to keep it some place else or take other actions. If it has only happened 1 time I wouldn't be too concerned as it may just be a freak one off event
 
You are not the only one to find that thumb safety off, when you thought it was on. And sometimes shooters find it on, when they thought it was off.

I went to the local Cabelas in Dec 2017 and saw these RIA GI pistols on sale for $399 so I had to play with the display model. The thing was tight and the trigger was good. It took several more days to talk myself into buying it, plus I had a $100 gift card, but I did. Cabelas let me pick the best out of three, the one I picked was amazingly tight, no play between slide and frame, barrel hood tight, barrel bushing to barrel tight. I wish the barrel bushing was a tighter fit in the slide but, my Les Baer was $1000 more, so, I can't complain. The trigger is short, like the original, and that is what I want. I have short stubby fingers and I replaced most of the long triggers on the 1911's I own.


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I was looking for a thumb cocking M1911. I want to carry my M1911 with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. This was the way the pistol was designed, this was how it was carried, round in the chamber, hammer down, in the flap holster. I do not like that thumb safety. Too many times with extended safeties and ambidextrous safeties I have found the safety "off" when I thought it was on, and, worse of all, firing my Les Baer, the safety bumped to "On". I watched one of those Top Gun shows and that happened to a Delta Force/Cop/Competitor types. He accidentally bumped the safety on and it took time for him to puzzle out what was going on. A Bullseye bud of mine, has seen this a number of times at the indoor range he manages. Accidental discharges caused the Army to change the condition of carry from round in the chamber, hammer down, to round in the chamber, safety on, pistol in flap holster. There were still too many accidental discharges and you find that the SOP by the time you get to Vietnam was that you were not allowed to put a magazine in your M1911 until your boots were on the ground in the drop zone! I put my middle finger between the hammer and slide when lowering the hammer. I put my index finger on the hammer spur and my middle finger in front of the hammer. I jam the hammer with my middle finger and pull the trigger. I slide the middle finger out, like a wedge, lowering the hammer, at some point the middle finger is completely out and I use my index finger to lower the hammer all down. I do not use my thumb to lower the hammer because I have had a hammer slip off the thumb.


Anyway, the early 1911 configuration, which was before this 1911A1 version, had wide hammer spurs and a virtually non existent grip safety tang. The pistol was designed to be thumb cocked and those features made it real easy, like Colt SAA easy, to thumb cock a first generation 1911. After WW1, the grip safety was elongated and the spurs disappeared, but still, the 1911A1 version is a lot easier to thumb cock than this, with its beavertail, and I don't cut my fingers on the Bomar style rear sight.

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I am of the opinion that these late model configurations have these long thumb safeties, and the beavertails, not to improve combat efficiency, but to improve shooter speed in quick draw games. And as you have found it, sometimes, you are carrying one of these late model quick draw McGraw M1911's, fully loaded, cocked, aimed at your butt, and the thumb safety is off!

My RIA is in the holster, round in the chamber, hammer down, strap over the hammer. If I need it, I have to pull it out and thumb cock it before firing. That is not a problem for me. I practiced a lot of thumb cocking with my SAA, and I think I can remember to do it in a stress full situation. You know, if you could reload the SAA quickly, it would make a very compact, powerful, self defense pistol. I consider the 45 L Colt an even better round than the 45 ACP.

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The US Army, particularly the horse Cavalry were familiar with thumb cocking their Colt SAA's, and did not consider it dangerous. The horse Cavalry wanted a safety so they could make the pistol safe if the horse got uncontrollable, and a safety that could be applied "On" or "Off" with only one hand. But, since the Leatherslap days of the 1950's, American's have been indoctrinated to carry these pistols cocked and locked, and that is something I don't feel safe doing with this mechanism.
 
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Honestly, I'm a little confused about the problem. Trigger is covered and you should be checking the safety/unloading when unholstering regardless, unless you are shooting, then it's still a non issue.

I'd wager it's not the holster, but perhaps a new holster or truck location is in order.

I've had safeties disengage in the holster before but as long as it's on while I am holstering, I guess I dont much care as I dont draw until I shoot, or am putting the gun away and safety location/function is part of my ritual.
 
I'm of the opinion that you need to change your method of transport. I wouldn't be comfortable banging around in a door getting opened, I feel like that's a recipe for a dropped gun in a parking lot. The next 2 are more obvious, change the long levered safety to an original thumb safety style or just buy a new holster that covers it completely.
 
FWIW, I have a very nice 1911 leather holster from El Paso saddlery with a thumb break. Every 1911 I put in the thing goes on fire when I engage the snap on the thumb break.
 
I had not heard this before, and I'm skeptical.

Well of course, can't happen, the hammer will never slip out from under someone's thumb. And it never will happen. Just like it never happened to this guy:

Accidental Discharge
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=425424

or this guy

Accidental discharge 1911.....Help...Killed the stuffed bear on the bed.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lp-killed-the-stuffed-bear-on-the-bed.680388/

or this guy (post 7)

1911 Lowering hammer on chambered round

https://www.usacarry.com/forums/han...wering-hammer-chambered-round.html#post169334

Probably did not happen here either:

Accidental Discharge of a 1911 in a Thumb Break Holster

https://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/ad_tb.htm

Could not have happened here:

1911 .45 accidental discharge
https://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?50602-1911-45-accidental-discharge



I found an account from pre WW1 National Matches where a competitor lowered the hammer on his 1911. He was in his tent, lowered the hammer, and it must have slipped, and an Army Officer 200 yards away was hit by the bullet and survived. He had to go to the hospital.

When I lower my hammer, I have my middle finger of the left hand between the hammer and slide. The index finger is in the hammer hook, the third finger straddles the slide. I ease out the middle finger, lowering the hammer as it goes, and the index finger lets the hammer down the final bit. Now, try that enough times thumb decocking, and eventually, the hammer is going to slip out and the pistol will go bang.
 
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Well of course, can't happen, the hammer will never slip out from under someone's thumb. And it never will happen. Just like it never happened to this guy:
My skepticism is that the military used Condition 1 in a flap holster, and by implication in your previous post, it was sometime before Vietnam. That is the part that seems unlikely to me.

I have no doubt getting to Condition 2, as you propose, could be a safety issue.

Most people that use the 1911 these days either use Condition 1 or Condition 3.



Admittedly, the Condition 2 is a little overdone, but to make his point, which is valid.
 
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