sturmgewehr
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Yes, Glock's do jam. Here is a shot of my G17C which, after countless thousands of rounds over the years finally choked. I had to take a crappy cell phone pic to capture the moment.
1911A1 vs. Glock 21
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sturmgewehr
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Yup, Pontiac did in fact make the Fiero... so does Movado. 
I think the Movado is higher class than the Pontiac of the same name though...
I think the Movado is higher class than the Pontiac of the same name though...
kimsonvu
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When 1911A1 Handgun drop into water.Can it shoot?
sturmgewehr
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Umm.. yes, it can.
It should shoot fine, but whether or not it can cycle after that properly is a mystery to me.
If you guys have seen that website for the glock 21 torture test, I really doubt that a 1911 could go through the exact same test and show the same results. The 1911 can take a beating, but not as much as a glock, at least from what I've seen. If someone wants to point us all to a website with pics on 1911 testing, please do
I remember getting into a big discussion on another board about the glock being double action or safe action lol, it is like splitting hairs. I think the problem is that the term double and single action all came about from guns with hammers, internal or external. The glock doesn't even have a hammer.
So I think that you can't even compare safe action to double action, thus the reason that glock called it 'safe action' in the first place.
If I wanted a gun that could go through hell, even though it doesn't fit my hand right, i'm not as accurate with it, and I want it to be by my side in a post apocolyptic nuclear world, I would choose the glock
If you guys have seen that website for the glock 21 torture test, I really doubt that a 1911 could go through the exact same test and show the same results. The 1911 can take a beating, but not as much as a glock, at least from what I've seen. If someone wants to point us all to a website with pics on 1911 testing, please do
I remember getting into a big discussion on another board about the glock being double action or safe action lol, it is like splitting hairs. I think the problem is that the term double and single action all came about from guns with hammers, internal or external. The glock doesn't even have a hammer.
So I think that you can't even compare safe action to double action, thus the reason that glock called it 'safe action' in the first place.
If I wanted a gun that could go through hell, even though it doesn't fit my hand right, i'm not as accurate with it, and I want it to be by my side in a post apocolyptic nuclear world, I would choose the glock
sturmgewehr
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...and I would take my Ed Brown 1911.
Dgindlesperger
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I have to say I have seen this same thread on a few other forums and it is crazy. Glock lovers will always be glock lovers and 1911 lovers will always hold there 1911's close to their hearts with pride. I am a 1911 person, the frame fits my hand better and I can say I am more accurate because of that. But, I got nothing against glocks and think it there should not be a "VS" choice. Just what ever you shoot well and enjoy.
Hunter0924
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I have shot several examples of Glocks and Government Models.
I strongly prefer the Colt Government Model over the Glock. As for the Government Model not being reliable or able to stand up to a torture test I would wager against that.
I strongly prefer the Colt Government Model over the Glock. As for the Government Model not being reliable or able to stand up to a torture test I would wager against that.
glockman19
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Both are good guns I prefer Glocks in 9mm and 1911's in .45. Stick with Best of breed.
ugaarguy
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Ask and ye shall recieve;
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=81244
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=81444
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=82503 - also note Vickers sand test linked in this thread.
TheDisturbed1
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its a gamble... but i'll take a Colt MK IV... slim design allows me to have a GARUNTEED grip of the pistol and something to control a 200+gr bullet leaving the muzzle.
An advantage with Glock tho... increased mag capacity... it goes level to weigh out the inaccuracy compared to 1911...
that, and those 1911s are just beautiful!
An advantage with Glock tho... increased mag capacity... it goes level to weigh out the inaccuracy compared to 1911...
that, and those 1911s are just beautiful!
Rob96
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I have experience with Glock and 1911s and will take the 1911 any day of the week.
As for reliability in harsh conditions, do a search over at the 1911forum. Larry Vickers did a test comparing the a stock commercial 1911, a custom buitl 1911, H&K45 USP, and a G21. To his surprise the G21 went tango uniform.
As for reliability in harsh conditions, do a search over at the 1911forum. Larry Vickers did a test comparing the a stock commercial 1911, a custom buitl 1911, H&K45 USP, and a G21. To his surprise the G21 went tango uniform.
evan price
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Apples VS Bananas.
Two platforms so different the only thing they have in common is the caliber.
Not worth continuing the discussion as it will only lead to a old skool vs new skool debate.
Either gun, when you have properly trained with one or the other, will provide a lifetime of service reliably, accurately, and efficiently.
Oh heck, just buy a Sig P220.
Two platforms so different the only thing they have in common is the caliber.
Not worth continuing the discussion as it will only lead to a old skool vs new skool debate.
Either gun, when you have properly trained with one or the other, will provide a lifetime of service reliably, accurately, and efficiently.
Oh heck, just buy a Sig P220.
Cousin Mike
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I love my P220... It still ain't no 1911 though.
As much as I respect the 1911 design I just cannot shoot them accurately. I've had two of them a stainless full-size S.A. "Loaded" (that I even sent back to S.A. to check the accuracy) and a S.A. G.I. model. I've tried to like them and do like them, but they are heavier and hold less ammo than a Glock 21. I've had various hick-ups with the 1911s also, usually in feeding not so in ejection, never had any reliability issues at all with the G21.
Being that the Glock 21 was the second handgun I ever owned I kinda learned on it and cannot warm up to anything else. The Glock 21 is lighter, has a wider grip making it a soft shooter, has a better grip angle and shape for my hand and I can just shoot it sooooo good. I just don't consider any other .45 anymore and have full faith in it.
Being that the Glock 21 was the second handgun I ever owned I kinda learned on it and cannot warm up to anything else. The Glock 21 is lighter, has a wider grip making it a soft shooter, has a better grip angle and shape for my hand and I can just shoot it sooooo good. I just don't consider any other .45 anymore and have full faith in it.
MrTwigg
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My $.02
I have a S&W 1911 and a Glock 22. (I believe the firing mechanism's the same as a Glock 21 and iffin it aint somebody will explain.)
Personal observation:
Trigger pull on the glock is a long mushy and I can't feel the breaking point right before she goes bang, long trigger travel makes for long trigger reset.
Trigger on the 1911 is nice & short with a crisp break and very short reset.
Everything happens faster so there's less time for things to go wrong.
I am much more accurate with the 1911 than the Glock.
My opinion is; Reliability = Familiarity + Maintenance. YMMV
I have a S&W 1911 and a Glock 22. (I believe the firing mechanism's the same as a Glock 21 and iffin it aint somebody will explain.)
Personal observation:
Trigger pull on the glock is a long mushy and I can't feel the breaking point right before she goes bang, long trigger travel makes for long trigger reset.
Trigger on the 1911 is nice & short with a crisp break and very short reset.
Everything happens faster so there's less time for things to go wrong.
I am much more accurate with the 1911 than the Glock.
My opinion is; Reliability = Familiarity + Maintenance. YMMV
sturmgewehr
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I disagree. My full size 1911's don't have any more "muzzle flip" than a Glock 21.
10-Ring
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Both can be very different in the ways you've mentioned, but in my experience, if you're after accuracy, the 1911 has greater accuracy potential vs. the G21.
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