200 LSWC loads

[john bh]

I have reloading 230 RN ,I'm going to try the 200 LSWC for my 1911 45 ACP.
I going to try some clays.
What loads to you like w/ the 200LSWC Right now just target shooting.

 

[Walkalong]

3.6 to 3.8 Grs depending on how fast you want to go, and what works in your gun. All are pretty light.

Check load data first.

 

[LiveLife]

Ooops.

 

[noylj]

Be very careful with Clays (it likes to run wild) and stay at target velocities and not hard ball loads.
.45 ACP
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max Power Factor COL
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.2 600 Several small groups 120 1.185
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.6 759 Start 152 1.225
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.6 763 Start/Bullseye 153
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.7 Bullseye 0
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.7 Favorite 3.7-3.9 0
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.8 Max Bullseye/Favorite 0 1.250
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.9 Favorite 3.7-3.9 0
L-SWC 200 Clays 3.9 701 Start/Accurate 140
Leadhead L-SWC 200 Clays 4.0 Accurate
L-SWC 200 Clays 4.0 838 168 1.250
plated SWC 200 Clays 4.1 785 Accurate 157 1.225
L-SWC 200 Clays 4.3 888 Max 178 1.225
L-SWC 200 Clays 4.4 839 Max 168
L-SWC 200 Clays 4.4 880 Max 176 1.250

 

[john bh]

I really want to try IDPA, believe I won't be in any major competions. I just want to do for fun, and and get my skills down with the SA 1911 Loaded 45 Acp.
I'm not stuck on any powder right now been using IMR 700X Winchester 231and Unique. I basically use the Unique 45 LC.
I have been looking at TiteGroup hear it's a good powder. I was talking to a rep at Hogton in regards to a certain load. He was telling me he really liked the Tite Group and he uses it on all his Semi Auto etc. not real sure what powder to go with, would like to minimze the powders to maybe one or two.
I just dropped down to Miss 200 SWC from 230 for the 1911 45 acp. I'm reloading Ruger Gp 100 38/357 have tried all the above powders.
I'm still going through the reloading process and I really enjoy it, nice to hear from more experienced reloaders. Would be a big help.
Thanks

 

[HEAVY METAL 1]

I shoot the Missouri's of that configuration in my 1911. I got real good accuracy at 5-5.3 gr Bullseye. No leading. I tried Unique and found it produced sharper recoil, a lot of smoke and worse accuracy.

 

[Fishslayer]

For a nice soft shooting target round I like 4.2gr of Alliant Green Dot under a 200gr LSWC.
3.8gr of Bullseye is pretty accurate too.

As for OAL I use a couple different SWC. I seat to right about a thumbnail's thickness from the shoulder of the boolit.

 

[ljnowell]

I know that you specifically asked for clays, I have no experience with that. I do, however, have experience loading with 700x, AA#2, and Bullseye. My accuracy loads were 5.9gr of AA#2, 5.0gr of Bullseye, and 4.6gr of 700x. I should mention that my AA#2 load is .1gr over Accurates currnet published max and the Bullseye load is .2gr over max. As far as the bullseye goes, the bullet listed by Alliant is a speer swaged bullet, with hardcast I have found no problems and got the cleanest and most accurate load there. With the AA#2, same thing, cleanest burning and most accurate is .1gr over max. The pressure of this max load according to the manual is 17.xK range, so I am pretty sure that the load does not exceed max for the 45acp cartridge. To follow the rules: Some of the load data above exceeds current maximum load manual data. Load at your own risk and of course work up all loads watching for signs of excessive pressure.

 

[john bh]

I totally agree , I really did't like the major diffrences. Power load, thats why I called Houghton. I actually spoke to the this guy for over an hr some of it was about nothing. Col real diffrences. He was telling me they do lab testing extensively, he also told me the other reloading have the same equiptment. Some of the of diffrences are unbelievable, let say starting load in one manual at 5.0 Houghton another reload manual started at 5.9.He sent me two reloading manuals. I basically use those but some times ,I go to the Speer or Lyman. The information in all manuals are very good. I regards to reloads
Sorry to get off track.
So Bulleyes and the 700x are pretty good powders,I'm baically looking for a little less recoil and accuracy , the other ones mention be as good.
The clay powders was given to me, by a competion shooter and he's really good.
I just made some some changes to my 1911 thinner grips,shorter trigger. and he squared the under trigger so more squared so i can get get a higher grip for
for bettr recoil control, I have a higher grip.
I want to thank all for the great information. Keep them comming. All this info helps me with reloading

 

[ColtPythonElite]

I load MBC 200 gr LSWC over 4.9-5.2 gr of Unique. My 1911 shoots very tight groups with that load.


***John16442....They are the 18 BHN bullets.***

 

[john16443]

I load MBC 200 gr LSWC over 4.9-5.2 gr of Unique. My 1911 shoots very tight groups with that load.

Are these the Bullseye #1 (12BHN) or IPD #1 (18 BHN) bullets you're using with the indicated charge of Unique?

ljnowell, Fishslayer, heavy metal 1- same question for you concerning your Bullseye load for the 200SWC's. Are your indicated loads for the softer or harder bullets? There's a big difference between your ranges of 3.8 and 5.3 grains for bullseye for the same bullet.

 

[ljnowell]

John, if you are looking for soft shooting using fast powders I would recommend you use the 12bhn bullets. The 18s are really designed for someone that is going to push them to major power factor for gaming. 700x has been a great 45acp powder for a long time, but it meters like corn flakes. Its very difficult to use in a powder measure, you basically are stuck weighing every charge if you are looking for .1gr accuracy. I would recommend that you take a look at AA#2. Its probably the absolute best metering fast powder to be used in your application. Its like a super fine sand and truly meters like water. Its the only powder I use in a target load in 45acp.

 

[Red Cent]

Clays seems to be the favorite of the IDPA crowd. However, their is a bunch using the other powders listed.
You need to make major in your pistol. I suppose you will be shooting CDP. That means you have to have a velocity of 825fps. If you used the 230gr you only need 718fps.
It is also popular to use a slow powder with heavy bullet to minimize muzzle rise. Some do not like the "slower" cycling of the slide and prefer the "snappy" recoil of fast powders.
In SASS, I use a very (relatively) slow powder (American Select) to run my 38s. You would think AS would be very popular with the IDPA crowd since it a lot slower than Clays. I suspect the crowd does not like the flake powder.
Anyways, I use AS with a 200gr LRNFP (45 Colt bullet). Feeds and chambers superbly. And I an get aprrox. 2-3" at 25 yards with a good rest. I use a Colt National Match made in the early fifties.
Shot a lot of IPSC with it and as soon as I get my nerves up, I will go qualify.

BTW, if you are using a progressive loader, the fix for flake powders is attach a fish tank aerator to the dispensing tube. I used duct tape. The vibration will settle the worst of powders not allowing the powder to "bridge".

 

[john16443]

Softer shooting is what I'm after and I just bought 500 of the 185gr SWC's (12BHN) along with the sample packs of the hard and soft 200 SWC's. W231, Titegroup and Bullseye are the powders I have now and your input about faster powders for the softer lead will help me. I put TG and BE in the fast group, and W231 in the med/fast group.

If the AA powders meter so well, I'll have to try some AA#2 or AA#5 as I also reload 9mm. My Lee Pro auto disk with the adjustable charge bar meters all of my powders pretty well, but if the AA's are better, I'm all for it.

Thanks;

 

[ljnowell]

I use the Lee Adjustable charge bar in my auto disk and the AA powders meter great.

 

[Detachment Charlie]

All my 45s from Sig 220 thru 1911s run great on 4.0gr Clays under a 200 gr. LSWC from S&S.

 

[Kingcreek]

I use 5gr w231 with the 185s

 

[GooseGestapo]

My preferred target load for my .45acp's is as follows:

205gr "Lee" version of the H&G #68 SWC
Winchester or Federal Large Pistol primer
Assorted cases, but segretated for match ammo (Starline or Federal)

3.9gr Clays for the 1911 (Springfield Armory "Black" Stainless) -820fps
4,2gr Clays for the Springfield HD -840fps

I seat to the edge of the leading edge of the bullet, and crimp such that they easily fully chamber in the HD as it has a slightly shorter chamber.

This is a soft shooting load.

However, 8.3gr of Acc#5 is even more accurate (one-hole groups from M1911, 1.5" from HD @25yds), and 5.8gr of Universal is about as accurate and gives 900fps, or so and as such is a serviceable self-defense, general purpose load.