Animal behaviorists say dogs will usually rethink an attack if you open a large umbrella and charge them. Another solution for a dog attacking another dog is to spray them with a fire extinguisher. I think (my opinion) a large air horn may work well too. I think I would find it difficult to accurately shoot a goblin dog attacking my family members or my dog.
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21 foot rule equivalent for dogs?
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The principle used with black bear is to get BIG and LOUD. Unless the dog is protecting, the same principle works. But if the dog is protecting then your out of luck, and out of place.
This thread is actually a cleverly disguised city mouse versus country mouse argument.
Where people own a quarter acre or more of land, if you shoot a dog on the dog owner's property, the strong presumption is that you came armed and looking for an excuse to shoot a living creature.
In a city like Philadelphia, where the sidewalk comes all the way up to the small front porches, a dog on his porch is only 5 feet away from somebody walking down the middle of the sidewalk. In cities, many dogs are walked up and down the street, and so they feel more territorial about the sidewalk.
That said, if you shoot at a moving dog, you'll probably miss. If the dog was coming from it's house, you've probably just shot into somebody's house. If you shoot into somebody's house and they shoot back and kill you, don't expect much sympathy.
If you shoot somebody's dog, expect to pay $1000-$5000 in veterinary bills, and $100-$3000 if the dog dies. Expect a restraining order against you. If you fired your gun on or into a stranger's property, don't expect to see your gun for at least a year. If their home gets broken into in the next year, expect to be questioned as an accessory.
If you shoot somebody's dog, expect the local paper and local blogs to publish your picture with the caption dog murderer. Expect your boss to be pressured to fire you, or your customers pressured to abandon you. Be prepared for the would-be tire slashers when they come. (For some reason, animal-rights folks tend to venn diagram to the folks that think tire slashing is constitutionally-protected free speech).
Where people own a quarter acre or more of land, if you shoot a dog on the dog owner's property, the strong presumption is that you came armed and looking for an excuse to shoot a living creature.
In a city like Philadelphia, where the sidewalk comes all the way up to the small front porches, a dog on his porch is only 5 feet away from somebody walking down the middle of the sidewalk. In cities, many dogs are walked up and down the street, and so they feel more territorial about the sidewalk.
That said, if you shoot at a moving dog, you'll probably miss. If the dog was coming from it's house, you've probably just shot into somebody's house. If you shoot into somebody's house and they shoot back and kill you, don't expect much sympathy.
If you shoot somebody's dog, expect to pay $1000-$5000 in veterinary bills, and $100-$3000 if the dog dies. Expect a restraining order against you. If you fired your gun on or into a stranger's property, don't expect to see your gun for at least a year. If their home gets broken into in the next year, expect to be questioned as an accessory.
If you shoot somebody's dog, expect the local paper and local blogs to publish your picture with the caption dog murderer. Expect your boss to be pressured to fire you, or your customers pressured to abandon you. Be prepared for the would-be tire slashers when they come. (For some reason, animal-rights folks tend to venn diagram to the folks that think tire slashing is constitutionally-protected free speech).
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I was driving down a country road and came upon a bicyclist being harassed by 3 dogs -- Now I hate dogs that go after bikes -! So i stopped and grabbed a large tire iron out of the back and went after the dogs -- Dogs don't want any part of an armed victim that can attack back [ I had experience with a doberman attacking me a 3 ft section of 1/2 angle iron dropped him like a bag of dog poop] after the guy got away I returned on my way --I called the cops and inquired about the use of the shotgun --I was told I certainly had a right to defend myself or others- I told them to have animal control go to the farm and have a chat. Biggest mistake I ever made was when the doberman attacked me and I dropped him I let him run away --I should have beat the thing till it was sure to never hurt anyone ever again !!
[stop beating keyboard to death ] lighten up..
SO --What caliber do you guys think is best for Chihuahuas Can I use 9mm or must it be at Least a 45acp. And is a 5.56X45mm really suitable for taking down a charging poodle.....
[stop beating keyboard to death ] lighten up..
SO --What caliber do you guys think is best for Chihuahuas Can I use 9mm or must it be at Least a 45acp. And is a 5.56X45mm really suitable for taking down a charging poodle.....
One of my former jobs was stormwater research, which consisted of walking up and down every mile of river and creek of a particular city in middle TN with a handheld GPS and a clipboard.
The project was for the city, and they printed multiple notices in the paper, etc, telling the good citizens that some weirdo in chest waders with a GPS may be wandering in the local creeks and rivers, including next to their backyards, don't be alarmed, etc.
I carried with me a copy of the state law that gave my full legal right to trespass anywhere I needed to, and I only had to show it to people 2 or 3x in a 3 month period. I tried to be as quiet as possible, not sneaky, but no reason to get people all riled up if it could be avoided. And yes I realize that a piece of paper doesn't protect me from getting shot or bitten by a dog. Most of the time when people saw me I introduced myself, told them what I was doing, who for, and they were friendly about it.
Oh yeah, this was about dogs.
So one day I'm at the edge of the creek (which is right-of-way of the city/county), and an adult Rottie from the backyard next door comes at me full speed, snarling, teeth bared, etc. Nothing between me and it but a grass lawn. I stayed in the neighbor's backyard, stood my ground, and grabbed the range pole (39" long 1" diameter metal pole with a sharp point on one end) in both hands ready to spear the dog if it didn't stop.
The dog's owner was screaming something at me from across the yard, but I was paying so much attention to the black streak headed towards me I couldn't process what the owner was screaming.
About 7' from me the dog skids to a stop at the property line, still going nuts with the snarling, teeth, etc.
The dogs owner comes running up, grabs the dog and pulls it away, and as I start to calm down a bit I decipher the owner telling me that the dog has one of those (invisible) underground electric fences that it would not have gone outside.
The owner was semi-understandably a little pissed that I was going to spear his dog, and I sure didn't want to, but if his dog goes off his property to attack me, I didn't have a lot of options open at the time.
My points:
1)You never know where one of those pesky underground fences is
2)You never know if the dog would 100% certainly stop at the fence anyway
3)Dogs are a lot harder to read than humans, and it's hard to tell (at least for me) if they're going to actually attack or just bark and act mean or territorial etc. I don't know how you could know for sure they were going to attack.
4)You're going to be in a mess of legal trouble in most situations if you shoot an animal for anything other than protecting your own animals/family on your land. IIRC Animal Cruelty is a felony in many places. Obviously that's better than being dead, but I would prefer to explore all available options before using a gun.
5) You're looking at a decent probability of an equally serious confrontation with the dog owner if you shoot it. To a lot of people it's like shooting their child.
6)Not that I was carrying while working a city job on city property, but even if I was I'm about 95% sure I couldn't have drawn a handgun and shot the dog before it got to me. I wouldn't have the speed, or the accuracy. Even a big dog like a rottie had a fairly small frontal area (target) exposed to you when they are stretched out low and running directly towards you. Even if I had shot it, that's certainly no guarantee it would have stopped before it had a chance to take at least one big chunk out of me.
The project was for the city, and they printed multiple notices in the paper, etc, telling the good citizens that some weirdo in chest waders with a GPS may be wandering in the local creeks and rivers, including next to their backyards, don't be alarmed, etc.
I carried with me a copy of the state law that gave my full legal right to trespass anywhere I needed to, and I only had to show it to people 2 or 3x in a 3 month period. I tried to be as quiet as possible, not sneaky, but no reason to get people all riled up if it could be avoided. And yes I realize that a piece of paper doesn't protect me from getting shot or bitten by a dog. Most of the time when people saw me I introduced myself, told them what I was doing, who for, and they were friendly about it.
Oh yeah, this was about dogs.
So one day I'm at the edge of the creek (which is right-of-way of the city/county), and an adult Rottie from the backyard next door comes at me full speed, snarling, teeth bared, etc. Nothing between me and it but a grass lawn. I stayed in the neighbor's backyard, stood my ground, and grabbed the range pole (39" long 1" diameter metal pole with a sharp point on one end) in both hands ready to spear the dog if it didn't stop.
The dog's owner was screaming something at me from across the yard, but I was paying so much attention to the black streak headed towards me I couldn't process what the owner was screaming.
About 7' from me the dog skids to a stop at the property line, still going nuts with the snarling, teeth, etc.
The dogs owner comes running up, grabs the dog and pulls it away, and as I start to calm down a bit I decipher the owner telling me that the dog has one of those (invisible) underground electric fences that it would not have gone outside.
The owner was semi-understandably a little pissed that I was going to spear his dog, and I sure didn't want to, but if his dog goes off his property to attack me, I didn't have a lot of options open at the time.
My points:
1)You never know where one of those pesky underground fences is
2)You never know if the dog would 100% certainly stop at the fence anyway
3)Dogs are a lot harder to read than humans, and it's hard to tell (at least for me) if they're going to actually attack or just bark and act mean or territorial etc. I don't know how you could know for sure they were going to attack.
4)You're going to be in a mess of legal trouble in most situations if you shoot an animal for anything other than protecting your own animals/family on your land. IIRC Animal Cruelty is a felony in many places. Obviously that's better than being dead, but I would prefer to explore all available options before using a gun.
5) You're looking at a decent probability of an equally serious confrontation with the dog owner if you shoot it. To a lot of people it's like shooting their child.
6)Not that I was carrying while working a city job on city property, but even if I was I'm about 95% sure I couldn't have drawn a handgun and shot the dog before it got to me. I wouldn't have the speed, or the accuracy. Even a big dog like a rottie had a fairly small frontal area (target) exposed to you when they are stretched out low and running directly towards you. Even if I had shot it, that's certainly no guarantee it would have stopped before it had a chance to take at least one big chunk out of me.
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