22 lr ammo not recommended

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Ok wasnt to sure where to post this but since the reloading is as close to an ammo topic as possible thought id post it here. I needed some .22lr ammo for yesterday as we went to the shooting range. i usually buy cci or federal ammo. the bulk box more price than anything else. one of them i know if copper not too sure on the other they both are hollow point. Never knew why on a .22. with the size of the hole and the way they are handeled just seems like they are useless. Any how all the wally mart had was Winchester Xpert hallow point lead cast.


These were the worst bullets i have ever shot before in my life. the bullet tips could be moved around with your fingers they were loose. the lead was soft. i had about 50 rounds of cci still from last time shooting. i was shooting teh Winchester and yelling at my guns and ammo the whole time. Every 3-4 shots was a jammed round. or a ftf. Some had to be struck twice before they would fire. We kept shooting them though as this was all we had. My ruger mark II not as bad as my marlin 700. The marlin would literally jam every 3-4 rounds. i tried different magazines and everything. it did not matter. Almost at the end of the day i took the 50 or so rounds of cci i had and with 50 pulls i did not have one ftf or jam. I dont know what else to say im just very upset with this ammo. i know 22lr rifles are kinda finicky of what ammo to use. but this was just ridiculous. the quality of this ammo was really bad. At home you could litteraly pull the bullet out of the case straight up pull not even bending them. So i guess i will be sticking to Federal or CCI for now on. At least when it comes to 22lr
 
I have also had nothing but problems with that same ammo in a few different .22's. I stay away from it myself. I do know a couple people that swore by it but not me, I'll never but it again.
 
altho I tend to stick to the Federal bricks with the 50 round boxes, our wallyworld had been outta them for the last month. Just got back from the range where the youngest put a 500ct. box of the Winchesters thru his Buckmark without a ftf or ftl. Did the same last weekend with him and his older brother. 1000 rounds without a hitch......surprised the 'ell outta me, cause their Buckmarks can get a little finicky about what they eat.
 
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You get exactly what you pay for, as you have already discovered.

Cheap bulk-pack .22LR has never been top of the line ammo, and it has gotten much worse in the last few years it seems.

Not that it matters, but I think Remington is even worse then Winchester, and Federal is usually better then either.

The last time I bought Remington bulk-pack, half the cases had egg shaped rims that wouldn't even go though the mag tube hole in the receivers of several old Winchester pumps I tried them in.

Finally shot them up in a Colt Woodsman because they wouldn't work at all in the Winchesters, a 10/22, and a Browning auto.

Even then, half of them went "crack", half of them went "Pop" & smoked like black powder, and about 1 in 10 were misfires the first hit.

rcmodel
 
The worst 22 ammo I've ever had was some that had aluminum cases. It shot ok, as I remember. But it was the filthiest ammo I'd ever seen. I had to clean my gun about every 15 shots or it wouldn't function.
 
I was not aware anyone had ever made rim-fire ammo with aluminum cases, due to the properties of aluminum itself.

Any idea of the brand?

rcmodel
 
ya aluminum. and primer really dont mix. something about aluminumoxide. dont remember thats been years since i read anything on it.
 
Ok wasn't to sure where to post this ...
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It's not really a reloading topic but a General topic, so I'll move it there.

Winchester Xpert is trash. I also found that out with a similar experience Want another box of it? I think I frustratingly shot about 75 out of the box and put it away. Those reading this, don't confuse Xpert with Super-X. Super-X has always been superior ammo.

Here's my thoughts on Xpert from about 4 years ago: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=870740#post870740
 
oh as for mushroom shaped cases. i think i had mushroom shaped bullets. just the cheapest junk ever. i have never had any problems like this on other inexpensive brands. Maybe if i took my single shot lever action i wouldnt have had that many problems but with those loose tips in an autoloader they just kept jamming up and coming out with bent bullet tips and cases. Unbelievable. Sometimes the best shooting i have had has been with my Marlin 700 That rifle is accurate very accurate. iron sites. I just have them adjusted very very good. pretty much right on the money. But thats with years of adjusting and carefully handeling of the rifle now. Ammo has never really been an issue with this gun. It would shoot anything. But not this stuff. I suspect it really was the loose bullets. they would wiggle so much i just couldnt see how they would chamber correctly without jamming up. My suspisions were correct.
 
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uhhh

go figure.
General it is
 
ditto rc. I've never had any luck with Rem except the 'yellow jacket' they made years back.
Winchester 'Super X' used to be good stuff in the brick package, now it's sold in the 100 rd plastic fairly hi-$$. I've had varying luck with the 'Xpert' bulk.
Federal bulk seems a little better than either of those 2.
Wish CCI Mini Mags came in a bulk.
 
Single shot bolt action

Old savage eats that stuff up when I can't get it to go through any other action. As long as the range wasn't to far out beyond 25 yards it was minute of tin can and plinking is good. Even if it didn't go bang pulling the cartridge giving it a half twist to expose a different part of the primer made it work. I can't remember more than half a dozen that wouldn't go bang in my old Savage sooner or later. Sometimes there is a lot to be said for dinosaur technology. Don't think I ever saw an aluminum case 22, just centerfires, mostly 38's and some 9's and 45's. Don't know where they come from they were pickups off the range.
 
I have quite a supply of Winchester Wally-World hollowpoints, from a few years back. It shoots accurately in my Kimber M82 rifle (but with a few failures to fire.) It will not function well in automatic pistols, though, so I reserve it for squirrel hunting with the rifle.
 
I have quite a supply of Winchester Wally-World hollowpoints, from a few years back.
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It could easily have been better then, the problem is some of the crap on the market now. I used to shoot a lot of Remington "Thunderbolt" as Academy had it for $8/500 while the Wal*Mart bulk packs were $10/550.

Without any fanfare the lube changed from a waxy compound to some kind of slick polymer coating. When loading the mags I thought, this is a lot cleaner, maybe its for the better. But after shooting a couple of hundred rounds, my gun literally couldn't hit a 10" paper at 10 yards. When I got home to inspect the gun to see what had broken, I found the worst leading I've ever seen in the barrel. In hopes it was a fluke I shot the rest of it in a couple of other pistols and the one just cleaned to the same result :( . Been shooting the Federal from Wal*Mart since.

--wally.
 
Missfires

When only missfires will do, I use Remington Thunderbolt.

In manufacture, the priming compund is put in the case wet and then the case is spun so that the priming coumpound is distributed around the rim. It's obvious the spread is uneven in the Thunderbolts as the firing pin always dents the rim fair and square, and rotating the case in the chamber will result in a proper bang on the second try.
 
cant be as bad as remington thunderbolts. if you get a brick of the your best option is to put it on your desk for a paperweight or to throw at an assilaint as a last resort.
 
thunderbolt

I was shooting some thunderbolt a few weeks ago. My five year old was shooting some, and one round went off with a really loud bang. she said "that shocked me" and handed me the rifle (ruger 10/22). it hadn't ejected it and reloaded either. Turns out, the brass was blown to pieces. Not just split or ruptured, but blown into three pieces that looked like they had been chewed up.

is it possible to double-charge a .22lr cartridge?
 
Scrat, I have no idea what you said in your original post. Others seemed to have figured it out.

You almost always have some duds in the bulk packs.
 
cant be as bad as remington thunderbolts. if you get a brick of the your best option is to put it on your desk for a paperweight or to throw at an assilaint as a last resort.
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Thunderbolts have worked best in my guns. They are the most accurate with me and i have only had 1 round out of thousands every fail to shoot.

I have been using those federal bulk packs for ahwile and they aren't bad. Maybe 3-4 rounds out of 550 won't go bang.

The worst ammo i have used was remington golden bullets? Im not sure if they are made by remington but they suck. I had a lot of duds.
 
I've never really ran into any bad 22 ammo( 1 or 2 failers per 1000) ... just dirty. There use to be this company that sold 100 rounds in chewing tabacco containers... now that was some dirty stuff.
 
I have found xperts to not cycle properly in my lever actions, but in my bolts and semis always are good.
Clean shooting, occasional FTF, accurate enough for plinking and squirrel hunting.
I like to use them more than the feds but don't because they have a much higher FTF rate.
I stick with CCI for almost everything unrelated to target work.

Don't even get me started on Remingtons garbage ammo.
 
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