22 Mag or 17 HMR
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rangerruck
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marlin made a 922 , remi 597, amt made one , hard to find. also the most interesting are excel arms and thesehttp://www.majesticarms.com/
rangerruck
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except for ammo cost, there is nothing a 22 mag can do, that a 17 hmr cant do better, all the way out to 200 yds.
Good Lord.............. another one. At 100 yards a 40 grain 22 mag is still providing 180 fpe compared to the 17 grain HMR at 146 FPE. I've got both and the only thing the HMR has going for it is a flatter trajectory. Past 100 or so yards you don't even get the explosive effect some seem to think is so great. Shoot the 22 mag Premire V-Max and the mag will walk all over the HMR. At 200 yards the HMR is dead as far as humane killing power but the 22 Mag will still put down PD's without them crawling off. Some things the HMR does better and some things the 22 mag does better but neither one will do everything better than the other.
Terrierman
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I prefer .22 WMR over .17 HMR. I don't use my magnum for squirrel hunting. For varmints, I believe the .22 WMR is superior. I've used the Remington Premier rounds but am now shooting the OSSI Coyote Killer. It FAR outperforms the .17HMR.
dogngun
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I just bought a .22 mag, a 30 year old Marlin bolt action. ("nobody wants them anymore," I was told. "everybody wants the .17")
I got a nice rifle at a good price, great for varmints, just what I wanted.
Get a .22 mag.
My .02.
Mark
I got a nice rifle at a good price, great for varmints, just what I wanted.
Get a .22 mag.
My .02.
Mark
The Ruger 10/22M chambered for .17HMR was still born. They were never able to get their prototypes to be reliable despite placing the gun in their catalogs. The gun was to help feed the growing interest in a semi-auto .17HMR. Many folks, including myself, converted their 10/22Ms into .17HMR and were able to obtain a high degree of reliability. Unfortunately, Ruger's folks were not able to do the same, some saying they were unwilling to use other manufacturer's parts in their guns (though, IMO, they probably could have made their own copies). The 10/22M in .22mag was never a big seller anyways so the entire longer action/steel receiver 10/22 was dropped. (Plus also a bolt that wasn't up to the task of the harder recoil.) One of the attempts to imrpove reliability for the .17HMR chambering was the incorporation of a secondary extractor opposite of the current one on the right. This, it is said, did not improve things much.
.17HM2 was also dropped due to the necessity of higher bolt assembly weights needed for the higher pressure round as compared to the .22lr. My guess is it would have been easy for the assemblers to mix the parts up at the factory and get poor field results.
kir_kenix
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i have both a .17 hmr and a .22 mag (both in bolt action) and i think that inside 125 yds, the .17 hmr is alot better round for most varmits. outside that, the .22 mag is pretty much king unless you are talking about ground squirrels or prarie dogs, which i preferr the .17 w/ balastic tips. i can take down pd's all day long (if it aint too windy) out to about 180 or so. both are excellent rounds, but would be way too expensive for me to purchase in an auto...that would be way too much fun.
danurve
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Some of you guys need to get out more, seriously.
The guy asked who makes one or the other, not which is better.
The guy asked who makes one or the other, not which is better.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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I've also heard internet rumours that Ruger has dropped the 10/22 mag completely.
eastwood44mag
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I will never own a .17 rimfire. If I get one as a gift, I'll probably give it away.
R.W.Dale
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Just send it to me then, I call first dibbs!
I was skeptical about the 17 when it came out, But after buying a rifle from my buddy chambered for it all I can say is WOW! This little round kills critters all out of proportion to it's size. The 20grn loads will kill squirells like a lightning bolt even at the most insane ranges. I've owned a .22mag and I just didn't get that instant death effect on game that I get with my 17
R.W.Dale
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The same,as none of the rimfire rounds have any recoil to speak of.
SIUav8er
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Ruger took the 10/22 mag off thier website whatever thats worth. I would assume they no longer manufacture it?
I have a 10/22 in lr and WMR, and both rifles are reliable as hell. If your looking for a .22 mag GET the Ruger if you can find one!
I have a 10/22 in lr and WMR, and both rifles are reliable as hell. If your looking for a .22 mag GET the Ruger if you can find one!
toivo
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Well, there's a LITTLE difference... Let's say it's the difference between no recoil and hardly any recoil. But when I put down my Marlin 60 and pick up my 922M, I notice the difference.
rangerruck
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"Good Lord.............. another one. At 100 yards a 40 grain 22 mag is still providing 180 fpe compared to the 17 grain HMR at 146 FPE. I've got both and the only thing the HMR has going for it is a flatter trajectory. Past 100 or so yards you don't even get the explosive effect some seem to think is so great. Shoot the 22 mag Premire V-Max and the mag will walk all over the HMR. At 200 yards the HMR is dead as far as humane killing power but the 22 Mag will still put down PD's without them crawling off. Some things the HMR does better and some things the 22 mag does better but neither one will do everything better than the other."
Just so's you know, i've got both, and like both. a 17hmr is going faster at 100 yds, than a 22 mag is at the muzzle. A 20 grn gamepoint will knock 'em dead real quick. Like mr. Roy Weatherby once said, " speed kills!" He would be the one to know.
Arguing kill power at 150 between these two can be quite subjective, however , I have killed coyotes real dead with them inside of 75 yds.
What you cannot argue between the two , is that the 17 is faster, flatter, and far more accurate. And as we all know , shot placement is good for killing humanely, and very fast.
Just so's you know, i've got both, and like both. a 17hmr is going faster at 100 yds, than a 22 mag is at the muzzle. A 20 grn gamepoint will knock 'em dead real quick. Like mr. Roy Weatherby once said, " speed kills!" He would be the one to know.
Arguing kill power at 150 between these two can be quite subjective, however , I have killed coyotes real dead with them inside of 75 yds.
What you cannot argue between the two , is that the 17 is faster, flatter, and far more accurate. And as we all know , shot placement is good for killing humanely, and very fast.
majors-guntalk
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17 HMR
I own a 917v with a BSA Sweet 17 scope 6x18 this gun is one of the first that was built by marlin that has a schellin barrel on it.
I took the little gun to Utah to give it a workout on chipmunks,fox, and maybe coyotes. After playing around with differnt brands of ammo I found out mine doesn't like the CCI HP bullets all that well but will shoot most of the other brands and types very well.
While working in Utah for 18 months I was able to fine tune the little rifle a bit by doing some bedding work on it and polishing the bolt and bolt channel to a mirror finish...and had a gun smith true the bolt face. to smooth things up a bit...along with minor barrel lapping as well.. "awsome"
I took several crows,loads of chipsmunks.....but what I was pleased the most in is the fact most people said it was to small to take coyotes........($15 bounty on coyotes in Utah) so I decided to try it on coyotes and was able to bring down 5 of them with the little gun rangeing 65 to 175 yards....during the 18 months I only had two that was unrecovered.
All in All I couldn't be any more inpressed with the little gun as long as you keep it's limitations in mind..
I own a 917v with a BSA Sweet 17 scope 6x18 this gun is one of the first that was built by marlin that has a schellin barrel on it.
I took the little gun to Utah to give it a workout on chipmunks,fox, and maybe coyotes. After playing around with differnt brands of ammo I found out mine doesn't like the CCI HP bullets all that well but will shoot most of the other brands and types very well.
While working in Utah for 18 months I was able to fine tune the little rifle a bit by doing some bedding work on it and polishing the bolt and bolt channel to a mirror finish...and had a gun smith true the bolt face. to smooth things up a bit...along with minor barrel lapping as well.. "awsome"
I took several crows,loads of chipsmunks.....but what I was pleased the most in is the fact most people said it was to small to take coyotes........($15 bounty on coyotes in Utah) so I decided to try it on coyotes and was able to bring down 5 of them with the little gun rangeing 65 to 175 yards....during the 18 months I only had two that was unrecovered.
All in All I couldn't be any more inpressed with the little gun as long as you keep it's limitations in mind..
22 mag auto
I was in the same quandry as kellogg. I had a 17 bolt rifle and wanted a 22 mag auto. I couldn't find a Ruger, new or used. I finally found a hk 300 with a detachable hk scope mount. It was pricy even though beat up which didn't matter since it's getting even more beat up bouncing around in the pick-up.
I was in the same quandry as kellogg. I had a 17 bolt rifle and wanted a 22 mag auto. I couldn't find a Ruger, new or used. I finally found a hk 300 with a detachable hk scope mount. It was pricy even though beat up which didn't matter since it's getting even more beat up bouncing around in the pick-up.
The "hummer" (17 hmr) is insanely accurate. Unless the wind blows. Alot of folks at rimfirecentral.com discuss it. From what I can tell, the .22 mag is a better all around performer, but there are plenty of hummer fans. I sold my .22 mag when I moved too far from the family farm to shoot often. If I move back I will buy another .22 mag, not a .17 hmr. But that's just me. By the way, I hear all the problems with the Remington 597 were solved when they changed the mags.
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rangerruck
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a 33 grn 22mag and a 17 hmr zero'd at 100 yds:
22mag will rise 1.5 in at 50 yds.
17 will be .5 inches.
22 mag will drop 5 inches at 150 yds.
17 will drop 2.3 inches.
22 mag b.c. is .107
17 is .125.
in a 10 mph 90 degree crosswind, the 17 is only blown 7 inches at 150 yds.
the 17 is as fast at 100 yds , as a 22 mag is at the muzzle.
the 17 still has 80 fpe at 150 yds, still plenty to drop most critters and furries.
Not here to knock the 22 mag, I have a marlin 783, and they are great, plus the ammo is cheaper, the hmr is just mostly better, for most everything.
22mag will rise 1.5 in at 50 yds.
17 will be .5 inches.
22 mag will drop 5 inches at 150 yds.
17 will drop 2.3 inches.
22 mag b.c. is .107
17 is .125.
in a 10 mph 90 degree crosswind, the 17 is only blown 7 inches at 150 yds.
the 17 is as fast at 100 yds , as a 22 mag is at the muzzle.
the 17 still has 80 fpe at 150 yds, still plenty to drop most critters and furries.
Not here to knock the 22 mag, I have a marlin 783, and they are great, plus the ammo is cheaper, the hmr is just mostly better, for most everything.
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