Discussion in 'Hunting' started by jordan1948, Sep 12, 2009.
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My wife hunts with a AR or a Mini-14, uses 64 grain Power Points in the AR and 55 grain SP in the Mini. No problem with hogs or deer.
I'm glad to hear this as
I have worked up accurate loads for my Bushmaster consisting of 62g Barnes TSX Solid Copper Bullets.
They apparently do devastation equal to regular bullets of a larger caliber, according to the Barnes Web Site and Video.
So, what would be a 62g X Bullet will do the approximate same damage as, say, a 100g 243 Regular Soft Point Bullet.
With all that being said, of course it all really depends on shot placement. A gut shot is not going to drop most any animal, however a well-placed heart, head and/or lung shot is a different story.
Here is an excellent slow-motion video showing the X Bullet working through Ballistic Gelatin:
If you set your video player play speed to SLOW you can really get a look at the effect the X-Bullet has.
The last time I went hunting I took one deer with a 7.62x39 with soft point and one with the 308. The 7.62x39 was a botched shot on my part and it ran about 150 yards and required a follow-up shot (you botch a shot, it doesn't really matter that much, you've just created a bad situation for your prey). The 308 was spot on and it dropped where it stood.
My brother took 2 with a 223 using, iirc 62 grain soft points. Both ran about 30 yards and expired.
These were Texas deer, so pretty small.
I have been in the hunting party where 223 were used in about a half dozen instances. In EVERY case the deer was down as quickly as any other caliber used. This is personal experience only, ymmv.
My opinion is I would always choose a heavier caliber (243 or better in Texas), but if that's what I had (and it's legal) I would be fine with using it. (and I'm a meat hunter, respect the animal kind of guy.)
Last year I got a lung shot on a 135 lb whitetail doe, took two steps and collapsed. Both lungs were really tore up, but bullet did not exit.
year before that at 215 yards I got off a shoulder shot with same load. dropped the doe (although a bit smaller at 105 lbs) and bullet also did not exit. heart was pierced, however.
FYI it's NOT 1988 any more
Speer trophy bonded
Winchester power point
ALL "Deer" bullets in .224"
The ample amount of deer taken with the .223 shows that in the right hands it IS a caliber sufficient for taking deer without optimal conditions. I have doubts that every shot is taken only when the conditions are optimal. Are there better rounds out there, yes.... but that doesn't mean the .223 won't do the job.
If you miss 2" to the left or right?? You respect the game you are hunting but would take a 4moa rifle hunting at 100y? That is assuming that you aren't experiencing any vertical stringing at all. I would bet that most people use rifles that they shoot way better than that. It isn't like people are taking these out and shooting 400y shots, they, again I am assuming, are taking shots under 100y.
Then came the .223 and a beaucoup bunch of R&D. There now are bullets in the (generally) range of 60 to 70 grains which are designed for some expansion yet hold together. Just like their bigger brothers.
Yeah, I sorta look at the .243 as my selection for a "light deer rifle", and an '06 as my "main battle rifle for Bambi wars". So? If what I had was a .223, I'd pick a proper bullet and merely be picky about the conditions for taking a shot--and I'd work at being somewhat more precise than usual. Not just "n the neck", but I'd sorta pick out which vertebrae I'd want to break.
There are a lot of .224 caliber bullets as pointed out that will do a fine job on whitetails. BTW okie if you miss the heart by a few inches you have a lung shot. Thats makes the deer just as dead.
No caliber, regardless of size, compensates for good shot placement.
.243 Win to even think of using a .223 on deer. (I did it once in '69 with a .222 Rem Mag and the Nosler Zipedo -- another member of our hunting party had to finish off the deer but my bullet was the only one recovered!)
I agree. IMO a 223 is just to light.
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