224 valkyrie ar15

[Varminterror]

If you like somewhat underpowered intermediate cartridges shot out of autoloaders, like they did 111 years ago, try the Winchester 1907 in 351 Winchester. 180gr. Kick it up a notch

...Nah, bro...

 

[Damon555]

Boy oh boy.....looking at the availability of anything Valkyrie at the moment tames my enthusiasm some.....I can see getting into one after the hype dies down. My interests would lie in a slower twist barrel with the lighter bullets.....a la 22-250 style. Maybe that negates most of the advantages of the extra case volume but with a quality varmint bullet I bet the results would be spectacular!

 

[farmerboy78]

Boy oh boy.....looking at the availability of anything Valkyrie at the moment tames my enthusiasm some.....I can see getting into one after the hype dies down. My interests would lie in a slower twist barrel with the lighter bullets.....a la 22-250 style. Maybe that negates most of the advantages of the extra case volume but with a quality varmint bullet I bet the results would be spectacular!

The actually have 60gr factory ammo for that!

 

[Jim Watson]

What's the twist? I have a 6.5" twist .223 as Sierra said was needed for 90 gr SMK. If overloaded to stay supersonic at 1000, it destroys SMKs in flight. It shoots JLK and Berger VLDs, though.

 

[farmerboy78]

Well i have more info. I don't quite have the velocity I'm wanting with TAC, so I will be trying cfe 223 and others to boost speed from where I'm at now. With 25.4gr TAC and the 80gr eld I'm getting 2880 average fps with a sd of 12.4fps at mag length. I was shooting beside my shooting partner this evening whom of which was running a 6.5 creedmoor with 123gr eld and I was within .1 mrad of elevation and same exact wind out to 750yds!!! Here are a few pics of my rig!

 

[horsemen61]

Op nice rig

 

[farmerboy78]

Op nice rig

Thank you

 

[lovethosesooners]

Count me IN!
Got a CMT with 22” barrel with 1:7 twist.

Impressed with the build of the upper -put it on DD lower already had with single stage Timney trigger.

Mine was so so with the 90 federal but just got my diss to handload (factory 90 was approx 1.25”).

Got a box of the federal 60 Nosler and last weekend shot 3 groups of .5”, another at 3/4” and other just over an inch.

Confident it’s going to do 1/2” with the 90 hand loads once I get it what it likes (yes, haven’t YET, but will be surprised and of course disappointed if it doesn’t).

 

[DannyLandrum]

It's intriguing, to be sure, due to the twist rate (and tiny extra oomph over 556x45), combined with the new insane BCs of the 77 TMKs let alone those 90s. Very good externals for long range. Gotta say it's a real contender in my view, and has the better concept than the .22 Nosler (though similar ideas). I'd put it a very close 2nd to the 6.5 grendel, (though superior in external ballistics) for an all-purpose & fighting rifle round....only reason it's not 1st (other than being unproven) is energy and intermediate-barrier penetration. I think it's here to stay.

 

[farmerboy78]

Well I've been doing some load development with several powders and the 80gr eld. I've tried varget, tac, cfe223, power pro 2000mr, h4350... 21.5gr varget, 25.4gr tac, 26gr cfe223, 27gr power pro 2000mr, 25.9gr h4350 were my accuracy loads while working in 0.5gr increments. The tac load is averaging 2880fps. Hope the cfe223 and 2000mr give me more speed.

 

[Gtscotty]

From the .224 Valkyrie Sierra load data it looks like PP 2000 MR and RL17 should be the fastest powders with 77gr - 95gr:

(PDF download)
https://sierrabullets.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/224-valkyrie1.pdf

Have you tried any RL17? I was really hoping there was more room speed wise for loaders in this cartridge, but the Sierra load data seems to top out right at factory numbers.

I wonder if Superformance might be good in this cartridge, similar burn rate to RL17, but maybe a bit more compact since it's a ball powder.

 

[farmerboy78]

No, I have not tried it yet. Saw some re16 and 17 last night and almost picked up one of each... but I was at bass pro for re26, which they didn' have.

 

[Gtscotty]

I love RL16 in 6.5 CM and .30-06, but it is quite bulky and might not be ideal for such a small case.

 

[farmerboy78]

Shot the valkyrie at a regional dmr shoot yesterday at k&m precision. The thing is very accurate and hits the steel like a hammer vs 223... I ended up placing 18th in the light category. Was told I would have placed higher if I didn' have so many jamming issues, which I think was due to my mags. That issue cost me 5-15 seconds on each of six different stages. That was a little frustrating to deal with. But, on the plus side, I did hit every target on the course of fire in the 90 second time limit. That wasn't so for many of the competitors. This place was an amazng facility!

 

[Demi-human]

Nice job!

 

[farmerboy78]

Nice job!

Thank you! It was an interesting day to say the least

 

[greg_r]

The Valkyrie is a great round, if you prefer long range target shooting. My use for a .224 bullet is somewhat different. I shoot varmints. I want a bullet that comes apart when it hits a groundhog....or the ground itself if you miss.

The 77 and 90 grain bullets will not and will ricochet. Plus the case of the Valkyrie is optimized for the long bullets. My favorite bullet is 52 grains. I chose the 22 Nosler.

 

[farmerboy78]

The Valkyrie is a great round, if you prefer long range target shooting. My use for a .224 bullet is somewhat different. I shoot varmints. I want a bullet that comes apart when it hits a groundhog....or the ground itself if you miss.

The 77 and 90 grain bullets will not and will ricochet. Plus the case of the Valkyrie is optimized for the long bullets. My favorite bullet is 52 grains. I chose the 22 Nosler.

They have a 60gr for that

 

[greg_r]

True, but it's not an optimal bullet for the cartridge. The 22 Valkrye case is .140 shorter than the 22 Nosler. You won't be able to get the bullet near the lands and still keep a good coincentric grip on the bullet.

 

[Demi-human]

Forgive a novice. Why?

 

[farmerboy78]

Huh?

 

[LoonWulf]

The Valkyrie is a great round, if you prefer long range target shooting. My use for a .224 bullet is somewhat different. I shoot varmints. I want a bullet that comes apart when it hits a groundhog....or the ground itself if you miss.

The 77 and 90 grain bullets will not and will ricochet. Plus the case of the Valkyrie is optimized for the long bullets. My favorite bullet is 52 grains. I chose the 22 Nosler.

I think that was a good choice for what you want to do with the round. That's also how Nossler marketed the .22

True, but it's not an optimal bullet for the cartridge. The 22 Valkrye case is .140 shorter than the 22 Nosler. You won't be able to get the bullet near the lands and still keep a good coincentric grip on the bullet.

I also agree that the Nosler and Valk are optimized for two different bullet clases.
The shorter length of the Valk dosent necessarily mean that the shorter bullets will be making a huge jump to the lands tho. The vlds tend to have very little bearing surface and offten rounds designed to use them specifically (especially in mag limited applications) will have surprisingly short throats.
Case in point I could touch the lands of my 6.5cm with 90grn Speer tnt flat bases with plenty of bullet shank in the neck. I still loaded my 143eldxs to 2.9ish.

But, again because they ARE optimized for different applications, specifically the very long 90s requiring stupid fast twist rates, I think we're I buying a varmint upper for the AR I'd go with a Nosler.

 

[Demi-human]

Sorry, I forgot to quote.

True, but it's not an optimal bullet for the cartridge. The 22 Valkrye case is .140 shorter than the 22 Nosler. You won't be able to get the bullet near the lands and still keep a good coincentric grip on the bullet.

"Why?" To this, to hear personal experience and opinion. Because this...

The shorter length of the Valk doesn't necessarily mean that the shorter bullets will be making a huge jump to the lands tho. The VLDs tend to have very little bearing surface and often rounds designed to use them specifically, especially in mag limited applications, will have surprisingly short throats.

...has been my limited experience. Though, I also think...

... that the Nosler and Valk are optimized for two different bullet classes.

 

[Damon555]

I think we're I buying a varmint upper for the AR I'd go with a Nosler.

Yup.....for shooting varmints I want light, fast bullets. I'd like to shoot one with a 9 or 12 twist and 40 grain V-max's. My next complete upper will be a 9 twist 22 Grendel (22-6.5 Grendel?). A mid-weight, varmint type .224 caliber bullet shot from an accurate AR will be a great critter-gitter. 53 grain Vmax or 55 grain Sierra blitz would make some waves!

 

[horsey300]

@farmerboy78 @Damon555 @LoonWulf @Demi-human @greg_r The wheel you're reinventing is called. 22 br rem (another lost rem tradgedy) with a fast twist firing sintered bullets such as sinterfire or copper fragments e.g. varmint grenades or nosler lfbt, and don't forget bergers....
So if we chambered the br in an ar and dubbed one model the match with a fast twist, and another the hunter with medium twist, and a varmint with a 1:12twist we could retire early? Congrats fellow highroaders! We win! (I want 10% for ip) Eta just sayin....