you do realize the IDF utilize 10/22.....and the Russians used the SV-99......
just because its a .22 doesnt mean its not a "real gun"......or that it cant be used effectively in a "tactical" role.....
22LR "Tactical" ???
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just because its a .22 doesnt mean its not a "real gun"......or that it cant be used effectively in a "tactical" role.....
You got that right...starting to remind me of the silencer vs. suppressor and clip vs. magazine threads...
I don't care what they call it, but as some have pointed out, some of the "tactical" stuff has been slightly tweaked for 22 AR's, etc.
The CCI has a rounded nose and copper clad jacket - both are nice (also for silencer use).
The Winchester M*22 also has a rounded nose and copper clad jacket, although it looks like a lead round as it has a tough black lubricant covering the bullet.
Even though the Winchester M*22 has been tweaked for semi-auto's, I don't know if it has tactical anywhere on the box.
Don't really care - as long as they're not jacking the price up (and they don't seem to be) by sticking tactical on the box, who cares?
pjeski
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Now I'm intrigued. Has anyone used that particular product, and does it live up to its claims:
Having recently bought that particular rifle I may just try it out of curiosity.
In other words if "tactical" is intended to entice some sucker into overpaying for something they just hooked one
I have a Model 1 Sales .22LR upper with a 6"ish barrel and a sear trip. The CCI tactical runs great in it. It does not like anything else CCI I tried and it got angry over Armscor ammo. (Fired OOB and blew the mag out). So IMHO it is something, not nothing.
22-rimfire
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Personally, I'm glad CCI came out with their tactical load. The Federal automatch isn't bad either.
I read somewhere that they've stopped doing this. Apparently, they finally figured out that leg shots from a .22 LR can be fatal.
Did you read the article linked above the picture?
Buck13
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Two each of Norma-TAC on the left, CCI Mini-mag center, CCI Tacticool on the right. The AR stuff certainly has a different bullet profile than the Mini-mag. I thought I had a little CCI SV around, but couldn't find it in the three minutes I budgeted for the search.
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The tactical ones sell for more
The tactical ones sell for more
Buck13
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Found the CCI SV and decided to continue the .22 photo-shoot. For those who can't read labels, L to R: cheap Magtech, CCI SV, Aguila SE ('cause I like that stuff pretty well, and it was the only other copper washed .22 in my stash except for Velociters...one does want a hint of color) and Federal AutoMatch (my favorite bulk-pack ammo). It looks like CCI SV and AR Tactical come out of the same bullet mold, but Mini-Mags are pointier but wider at the base of the ogive.
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Speedo66
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I've started using tactical toilet paper. It's basically wood shaved off a tree trunk, but without the benefit of the paper making process.
Yes, there's the persistent problem of splinters and abrasion, but I think it's worth the pain and suffering because of the great tactical training it gives you to be able to go in the forest and just use what's there. Bark, tree shavings, fuzz sticks, etc.
Really gives you that operator feeling knowing that you can take it, best tactical training I've heard of. I'll have to take some tactical .22's along with me next time to complete the process. I've heard eating a few acts as a tactical laxative.
Yes, there's the persistent problem of splinters and abrasion, but I think it's worth the pain and suffering because of the great tactical training it gives you to be able to go in the forest and just use what's there. Bark, tree shavings, fuzz sticks, etc.
Really gives you that operator feeling knowing that you can take it, best tactical training I've heard of. I'll have to take some tactical .22's along with me next time to complete the process. I've heard eating a few acts as a tactical laxative.
Buck13
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Just remember that rimfires aren't chewable.
Buck13
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That sounds more like toilet paper for the "trad" archery fanatic.
Tactical toilet paper is the usual product but dyed sand, coyote, black or digital camoflage. Or the original color repackaged as "winter camo," with a lynx printed on the wrapper
Marketing tactic, thus it IS tactical....
It's funny - I used to keep <500 rounds of .22lr on hand. Then it got hard to get, so I started buying when it was available. I had a NIB CZ 453 sitting in the safe, and was mounting up a scope yesterday. While chasing down the parts to do so, I gathered the stash of ammo all in one place - a bit over 6,000 rounds on hand and I had 600 rounds of CCI Tactical stuck away that I'd bought because it was available and decently priced.
It's funny - I used to keep <500 rounds of .22lr on hand. Then it got hard to get, so I started buying when it was available. I had a NIB CZ 453 sitting in the safe, and was mounting up a scope yesterday. While chasing down the parts to do so, I gathered the stash of ammo all in one place - a bit over 6,000 rounds on hand and I had 600 rounds of CCI Tactical stuck away that I'd bought because it was available and decently priced.
For those of you that have needed 22 for a while, the time to stock up may be here or here shortly for those of you that still live in areas infested with Walmart flippers.
I've got all I need, but if the price were to start dropping due to lack of demand, I'll probably increase my stash.
I was in our local Walmart the other day and actually saw around 25 boxes of Federal AutoMatch on the shelf during the middle of the day!
Either:
1. The flippers let this get by them.
2. The flippers finally have more than they can get rid of.
3. The store insiders have been moved to another department (in which case the flippers may be a few hours / day late wiping them out).
It was priced at $17.47 / box of 325 rounds.
Our local low cost gun shop has been awash in 22 for 3 to 4 months.
He's not as cheap as Walmart, but he doesn't gouge (has the same AutoMatch for around $2 / box more).
I've got all I need, but if the price were to start dropping due to lack of demand, I'll probably increase my stash.
I was in our local Walmart the other day and actually saw around 25 boxes of Federal AutoMatch on the shelf during the middle of the day!
Either:
1. The flippers let this get by them.
2. The flippers finally have more than they can get rid of.
3. The store insiders have been moved to another department (in which case the flippers may be a few hours / day late wiping them out).
It was priced at $17.47 / box of 325 rounds.
Our local low cost gun shop has been awash in 22 for 3 to 4 months.
He's not as cheap as Walmart, but he doesn't gouge (has the same AutoMatch for around $2 / box more).
Buck13
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I'll probably go to the range later this week, and could go past a Walmart with only a somewhat-unreasonable detour. Worth a try for AutoMatch.Schwing
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These days, all you would have to do is replace the word "Tactical" with "Available" or "In Stock" and you will sell all of it where .22 ammo is concerned.
AR-15Nutt
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when .22LRF was around $12.00 a brick i bought two CASES, i wish i had done that when it $7.50 a brick.., but.., that was at a time when a dollars worth of gasoline would damn near fill my gas tank.
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I am revisiting this because I have spendt this week converting a Mossberg 702 Plinkster 25-round banana magazine to work in my old CBC 7022 (cue theme song "Too Much Time On My Hands" but a good excuse to get out of the house and go to the range).*
In response to .22 LR CCI AR Tactical ammunition, the opening poster did not think there is a factor that would make a .22 LR round "Tactical".
A few years ago my son bought a .22LR Colt M4 rifle (aka Colt .22 Tactical Rimfire) as an understudy for his 5.56mm M4gery AR.
Problems my son encountered with his Colt magazines and I encountered with the 702 magazine was getting .22 LR to stack properly in a curved magazine and feed without nose-diving into the feed ramp. Some bullet nose profiles just didn't work well.
Checking today there are multiple Google hits on "Colt Tactical Rimfire". The Mossberg 702 comes in a M4gery version advertised as "Tactical 22 Rimfire Rifle". Walther has listings for "Tactical Rimfire Replicas" including M4, HK416, G36, MP5.
Tactical Rimfire is a category of rimfire replicas of modern military rifles. Tactical rimfire ammunition is a category too, presumably optimized for these training rifles and their magazines.
If I had a S&W M&P 15-22 Modern Sporting Rifle (that's their term), I would first try it with the CCI ammo presumably tested and developed for that rifle before going to the range with boxes of Fed, Rem, Win, Aguila, Stinger, etc., solids or hollowpoints, standard, high or hyper velocity and doing trial and error testing myself.
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*(Yes the Mossberg 702 was developed from the CBC 7022; no they are not identical.)
In response to .22 LR CCI AR Tactical ammunition, the opening poster did not think there is a factor that would make a .22 LR round "Tactical".
A few years ago my son bought a .22LR Colt M4 rifle (aka Colt .22 Tactical Rimfire) as an understudy for his 5.56mm M4gery AR.
Problems my son encountered with his Colt magazines and I encountered with the 702 magazine was getting .22 LR to stack properly in a curved magazine and feed without nose-diving into the feed ramp. Some bullet nose profiles just didn't work well.
Checking today there are multiple Google hits on "Colt Tactical Rimfire". The Mossberg 702 comes in a M4gery version advertised as "Tactical 22 Rimfire Rifle". Walther has listings for "Tactical Rimfire Replicas" including M4, HK416, G36, MP5.
Tactical Rimfire is a category of rimfire replicas of modern military rifles. Tactical rimfire ammunition is a category too, presumably optimized for these training rifles and their magazines.
If I had a S&W M&P 15-22 Modern Sporting Rifle (that's their term), I would first try it with the CCI ammo presumably tested and developed for that rifle before going to the range with boxes of Fed, Rem, Win, Aguila, Stinger, etc., solids or hollowpoints, standard, high or hyper velocity and doing trial and error testing myself.
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*(Yes the Mossberg 702 was developed from the CBC 7022; no they are not identical.)
For the record, I own both a S&W 15-22 and Colt M4 22, which I assume is the same thing your son has (made by Walther / Umarex).
The Colt eats everything I feed it - the S&W has only choked on Winchester 555/333/222 rounds at about a 5% FTF rate, no doubt due to them being the flattest nose profile of any 22 rounds I've tried.
FWIW, S&W 15-22 owner manual recommends:
• CCI Standard Velocity
• Federal American Eagle
• CCI Mini-Mag
• Federal GameShock
• Aguila Super Extra Std. Velocity
• Winchester Super-X High Velocity
• Aguila Super Extra High Velocity
They also recommend you stay away from the following, as their tests show they do not perform reliably:
• Remington Golden Bullet
• Remington Thunderbolt
• Remington Target 22
• Winchester Wildcat
• Any and all sub-sonic brands and types
Over the years, I've tended to avoid Remington 22 ammo, but I've never had a problem with CCI Standard Velocity (sub-sonic) in any of my AR style 22's.
The only other warning they have is should you have a Peformance Center 15-22, they warn against using CCI Stingers in it (as it has a Laney Match Chamber).
I have a wide assortment of 22, but tend to shoot & favor:
• Federal Value Pack
• Federal AutoMatch
• Winchester M*22
• Winchester 555 / 333 / 222
• CCI Standard Velocity (sub-sonic)
• CCI Blazer
• Various other flavors of CCI (Tactical, Stinger, Velocitor, Mini-Mags).
CCI's are nice, but cost a bit more than the stuff I buy in bricks.
Usually the CCI's are only used for special situations due to their cost.
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