.243 Bullet selection for deer

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The 25-06 picks up alot of speed when it drops those 15 grains. Reloading manual has that maxing out at 3360fps, have known several people pushing over 3450fps with them. I am betting the 100gr TTSX will still have plenty of penatration and not blow up too much meat. If not I will hop on the Ballistic Tip bandwagon, that is one nasty little pill at those speeds, but enjoys a loyal and happy following. If neither one of those shoots right there is always the Accubond that I have had such good luck with in my 270 WSM and 7mm Rem Mag.
 
243s much like 25-06 are a shock kill caliber, they do not have the standard twist rate to handle heavy for caliber bullets, but both do a great job of shooting relitivlty light bullets at ultra sonic speeds. These create a large cavatation effect on impact, the resulting pressure wave can cause in instant KO and the deer will bleed out right where they sit. The only problem is when they are not knocked out on impact, the shock wounds tend to be much more shallow and my not have damaged all the vital organs. I tend to perfer very heavy for caliber bullets, they are less dramatic in their killing I rarely get that instant flop, but my 140gr 6.5mm bullets will make a substantial wound through any deer and always blast through the other side. Over 20 years of hunting and I have never recoverd a bullet, and never lost a deer.

Kachok,

I might disagree with you a bit on the 243 and a 100gr bullet. I have shot one since 1970, and put more than my share of deer and hogs in the freezer. As I mentioned to the OP, it is a shame that Nosler discontinued the 100gr Solid Base as, IMO, I feel it was probably the best bullet ever built for this particular caliber. I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of others out there that won't do just as good a job, but I personally haven't found one. This said, if choosing bullets for it today, I would go with either the Hornady or the Core Lokts, as I have had excellent performance from them as well. Kept within around 2800fps these bullet will penetrate deep and not blow up excessively on most game even if hitting dense bone. Cranked up to the upper ends though they can get a bit wiggy. I load for accuracy most of the time and settle for the velocity I find it at more often than not.

My oldest grandson, is now the proud owner of a little Sako Forrester I picked up second hand, and I am loading the Nosler SB for him. The loads are running right at 3100fps form the 24" barrel and it is simply a lightning bolt when it hits. There isn't wide spread destruction of tissue like with a varmint weight bullet, but simply a nice 1" hole about an inch or so under the skin followed by mush, and that is followed by an exit hole of about an inch in diameter.
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I DO agree with you on the 6.5x55 and a 140gr bullet though. It does thing all out of proportion for what you would think. I got one for my daughter and found that the only bullet it would shoot was the 140gr A-Max. Since hers was an older milsurp, I only loaded it to around 2650 tops, and it dropped everything we put it on for quite a few years. In fact the same grandson used it to get his first doe with, loaded with factory Privi 140gr SP's which we found will group even better than the handloads.

On the 25-06 yep another of my fav's. I found that there wasn't much that the 115gr Partition leaving my barrel at 3150fps over a load of RL-22, couldn't accomplish. I have shot everything from fox squirrels at 200yds, to whitetail at 400+ with it and nothing has walked off from them yet. I prefer the Partition over the BT's due to the chances of something coming out at 20yds , and I don't like that big of a mess. There again, I shoot the same load as the Partitions with the 110gr AB, and it shoots awesome as well. Both the daughter and the above grandson got their bucks this past season with the same rifle and the 110's. It's actually her rifle now, I finally gave in and conceded it to her after years of bickering. Can't let them know your that soft or easy, or they will rob ya blind. LOL

Feel free to have a look,
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This one will shoot the 110's like this at 250yds, one low fouler after cleaning and two for checking the scope. Wind was about 18-20 cross range so I didn't bother tweaking the scope.
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As I said penatration is as much a function of bullet design as it is SD. A tough bullet out of a 243 will indead punch through a deer on a stright broadside, but many on the "shock bullets" that are popular with the small caliber crowd are not that tough. With full pressure loads (3100fps+) the 100gr core-lokt bullets are well known to rupture on close range shots, fortunetly they have enough energy on close shots that the shock usulay makes for a quick bang flop.
A 100gr Partition is almost always a through and through bullet no matter what the impact speed is. These have been recorded penatrating over 3 feet in soft tissue, and have taken game as large as moose. That would be my bullet if I were to ever go back to 243, no doubt about it.
 
Ark Paul,
My very first "real" deer rifle was an old Ruger 77 tang safety model in 6mm Rem (Almost identical to a .243) topped with a 70's vintage Redfield 4x...which it still wears. I killed my first who-knows-how-many deer with it. Being a handloader, my interests drifted from rifle to rifle and cartridge to cartridge, but I never let the 6mm go. I found it filled a perfect niche and that was of a beginners deer rifle. My wife and three of our kids cut their teeth on it.

Initially, I loaded 100 gr. Hornady Inter-locks over a hefty charge of IMR4350 which netted about 3000 fps, maybe a hair more and consistent;ly year after year grouped into 1" @ 100 yds. The load was perfect because recoil was so light. With that bullet and load it felled its share of game never once failing, Here's just one example:
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Eventually I ran out of the 100 gr. Inter-Lock bullets, but dug up a box of Hornady 100 gr. pre-Interlocks. I loaded them over the same charge of IMR4350 and they shoot and kill just a well.

This year my 17 year old, who never showed the least bit of interest in hunting, woke up one morning in a new world (as teenagers often do) and decided it would be fun to hunt deer. Enter the 6mm. The little Ruger barked only once and she had her first buck killed at 198 yards:

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A few weeks later I was hunting with the wife and had the 6mm along for her to use. She's used the 6mm as well as my 6.5x55 and my 220 Swift, and they all killed equally well, but for some reason the 6mm just seems to do it for her. We happened across a very large boar and she whacked him with results boringly typical of the 6mm:
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Leater that evening after a VERY long stalk consisting of belly crawling through mesquites, cactus and pasture grass, she used the 6mm again to kill an 8 pt.:

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No big fancy, expensive scope, no boutique partitioned or bonded core bullets, just an ordinary rifle wearing an ordinary scope, shooting ordinary bullets and killing time after time. In my experience, the 6mm's (.24's) just kill. Period. But as I've said over and over: Put a bullet through both lungs and the quarry WILL die.

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My oldest son's first deer with his sight in target. Target shot at 150 yards from a folding chair and a card table for a bench. Buck taken at 178 yards single shot piled up after 30-35 yards. Both using 95 gr Hornady SST custom ammo. For factory rounds these things work well.
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.243 win. for deer.
I shoot lots of deer from muntjac to red stags. i have shot them with a variety of rifles over the years. quite a lot with a .243.

i started using sierra 80 gr gameking. They were mega destructive and very fast. fine for foxes no good for deer.

i tried speers 105 gr spitzer... couldn't get them to stabalise properley.

i did fancy the barnes 85 gr tsx... but couldn't get a decent supplier.

in the end i tried hornadys 100 grain interlock (2450?) through the quite short barrel of my rifle i expect they only produced about 2800 fps. accurate. when placed in the pocket they killed as well as any 6mm bullet.
 
Yeah I have had good experence with interlocks too. I understand the 243 is popular deer rifle in England, more so then the 270 why is that you think? Kinna supprising since red stag get pretty darn big.
 
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Yeah I have had good experence with interlocks too. I understand the 243 is popular deer rifle in England, more so then the 270 why is that you think? Kinna supprising since red stag get pretty darn big.
yes, you are right there is a belief amongst hunters that the police look to minimise the calibre you choose for deer... not altogether true..

also a lot of shooters use thier .243 for foxing aswell. I currently am awaiting a new .243... but realistically i don't think i will be reaching for it when i also have the 7mm and 30-06 to hand for deer. i mentor novices quite often. i recomend .308, .270, .30-06, 7 x 57 or 7mm08 type of rounds.

Getting a centrefire rifle in the uk is pretty dificult. the firearms licensing system is quite ardous. so to go for 1 do it all centre fire makes sense especially when starting. Many go away from .243 with a bit of experience.
 
I would think the 30-06 would be more of a "do it all" or the 6.5x55 SE if you wanted a "do it all" with sissy kicker recoil. I load my Sweed for everthing from varmint to very large feral hog.
 
I have been hunting over fifty years and have used a Rem 700 in .243 extensively on whitetail, mule deer, antelope, coues deer, and hogs. They total well over fifty animals. I have yet to lose the first animal with this caliber. All I use is 100gr Rem CoreLokts.
 
When I first started hunting with the .243 (about 30 years ago), the most common complaint that was it "Tore up too much Meat!!!"...after the dear was shot in the shoulder. But...nevertheless, it was considered no less than "Thors Hammer" on Dear - even though it was a great gun for Women and Children!

Go Figure.

The .243 will stop Deer..in their tracks - Deal. Put a shoulder shot in a dear with a fast-expanding .243 bullet, and you will screw-up that Deer's Skelatel System (via Scapula), Musculature System (Via Shoulder), Cardio-Pulmanry Syetem (via High lung-heart shot/shock) and Nervous System (via scapula and rib shock). That Deer will go down...in it's tracks from Systematic shock!
 
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Well, it's been a while since the last post here, but I just got the rifle. It's a Ruger M77 that I believe is identical to the one in your pics 35 Whelen, only it is .243 instead of 6mm Rem. I love the heft and balance of the rifle. They had a Savage that was cheaper, but I was set on the Ruger. It's wearing a cheap Bushnell Sportview scope, but we'll see how it does.

I finalized a trade with a LGS for it and got the background check out of the way this afternoon. Their computers were down however, so I go and pick it up tomorrow. They're throwing in 2 boxes of 100 gr Federal Powershocks, so that's the first thing it'll get fed I guess. Anyway, thanks for all the advice and pics. Being a handloader, I can't wait to start working up some loads for it. Pics coming tomorrow.
 
Glad to hear it, AP. My daughter broke her arm, and needed 3 pins so I haven't been hunting but 2 hours this entire season. I gave up my permits to Camp Robinson ML hunt so that I could take care of her, and get some rest. I have rifle permits for Camp Robinson next at the end of this week, but it looks like I'll be bow hunting more this season after the holidays.
Nice rifle the .243 is; especially in a M77. If the gun likes those Fed blue boxes then you'll be ready to go for this season at least until you can load up some that the gun really likes. You might be surprised. I know your a seasoned fellow, and know that those blue boxes have killed a many deer.
Hope you and your wife have some good hunts.

You know what they say. Look for rabbits on the way into the blind. Every time I see a rabbit when driving or walking to the stand, I see deer.
 
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My wife has that rifle. It is a good shooter and has killed quite a few deer over the last ten years she has used it. I have a Remington Model 7 in .243 that has accounted for a dozen dead deer. We both typically have used Nosler Partitions in the past with very good results. One thing I notice with her Ruger, it is more sensitive to ammo as far as feeding/ejecting and more sensitive to shooting when hot, but has not been an issue in the field, only the range. From a cold barrel the gun is of the one shot=one kill variety.

Congrats on the rifle purchase and happy hunting!
 
I used a factory Winchester BallisticSivlertip (95gr) to down an 8 point buck today. It was only about a 50 yard shot. Hit it in the lungs and it only went about 15 yards (if that). First time using a 243 to deer hunt, and I liked it. Left a short trail of blood and lung material from the point of impact to where the deer fell. Didn't notice a bullet in the deer, but there was no exit wound.
 
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.243 is a good caliber. gets the job done, no doubt. Congratulation on the 8 pointer. Can't wait to bloody my .25-06 this year. If I don't I still have a deer in the freezer from a buddy killing 3 off my stand.
After rifle season ends for deer. I'll move on to killing coyote off the farm, but I just bought a .223 Dissapator for that purpose, but I'll take a few with the .25-06, too. I'll probably be shooting 100 grain Core-Lokt or Hand loaded 115 Combine Technology Ballistic Tips over IMR 4350. Right now the .25-06 is sighted in with 100 grain Core-Lokts, and I have no doubt whatever is on the receiving end is dead where it stands.
 
I've been using the Sierra 100 grain boat tail since 1983 out of my Model 7 Rem .243. Works great on whitetail, mulies and antelope.

Same , 100 grn Sierra Gameking, Myself and my son have had 24 whitetail kills between the two of us with this bullet and all were one shot kills, no runners.
 
Update. I took the Ruger hunting yesterday and was sucessful. This time it was just plain blue box Federal 100 grain soft points but they sure did the trick. I'd heard horror stories about having to track deer for hundreds of yards when shot with a .243, but it sure didn't happen this time. This gal ran about 25 yds from where she was shot, slightly quartering away at 140 yds. The bullet got both lungs and never touched either shoulder so no meat was lost. The results were similar to when shot with a larger caliber. A small entry with a quarter sized exit wound. Overall, I'm very happy with it and can't wait to roll some of my own.

I got a good laugh at the wife since I got one with her rifle before she did.


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Looks just like the one I skinned Sunday night from Lonoke Co., Paul. Congratulations!
 
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