.25 acp ?

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well,ive been looking for a 418 beretta for around the house and yard or just taking a walk ,or when i need something really small ,and i dont like the newer stuff the old fashioned steel framed berettas are my favorite,also any older .32's about this size anyone know of?if not whats everyones opinions on the weak .25
 
I'm not an expert on mouse guns by any means, so I can't make recommendations in that area. .25 acp is a bit anemic, but I sure wouldn't stand in front of one. With fmj ammunition I'd imagine it would penetrate enough to get the job done. Although I wonder if a .22lr might be smarter in this size range, much cheaper to shoot, greater ammo choice, etc. Might be something to look into.
 
The Beretta 950 .25acp is a classic, highly reliable, ultra-small self defense handgun. The .25acp is much more reliable than a .22lr. Obviously, shot placement for this small caliber is most important.
 
Are those a steel frame or alloy? I like the .25acp. Out of a short barrel it's not really any less potent than .22LR. Some super high velocity rounds like CCI stingers are pretty hot though.

The .25acp has a slightly better ignition system but cost probably six times the price of.22LR.

I am thinking of purchasing two Beretta Bobcats. One in .25acp and one in .22LR. One for practice and one for backup.
 
IMO, it is better to practice with the gun you carry. Since the Beretta 950 is only intended for very close social encounters, a few rounds down range every month to ensure weapon function should be adequate. BTW, Hornady 35 grain XTP jacket hollow point is a very good choice for the little Beretta 950. Midway's price for a box of 25 is $14.99. While the 418 was the original "Bond" handgun, it is a very dated design. Although an interesting curio, I wouldn't rely on a relic like the 418 as my personal defense weapon.
 
The .25 is more successful than .22 in small pocket guns because of the design of the cartridge. The .25 of course, is not rimmed like a .22, and will feed in a magazine more reliably.

The .25 has been made in dozens of versions and designs since its inception at the turn of the century, and some of those old .25's were made pretty good. (and of course, some were not).

Nonetheless, a .25 in hand is better than nothing, and although you will undoubtedly hear from people who advocate baby .45 autos as the minimum pocket gun that you should carry, you are not going to find a .45 or 9mm so small as you can find some .25's. (Yes, I know that they make some very small 9's and 45's). The .25 will be featherlight compared to some of the larger guns and will not print in your pocket as you take that walk.

Undoubtedly, too, the advocates of the larger calibers will also not have shot somebody. There are all sorts of stories of one shot .45 kills and the .25 doing nothing to the shootee, but there are also stories in the reverse, too.

You are carrying something to protect yourself with, to possibly save your life and allow you to get away from the threat. A .25 will do that just as well as a .45.

Finally, with any gun, you need to become proficient enough that you can draw, aim and fire and hit your target every time. When I say draw, I mean to get it out of your pocket without shooting yourself in the leg or where ever, and get the gun into battery. You'd be surprised on how a gun can hang up on you.

So, whatever you do, make the choice you feel comfortable with and practice, practice, practice.

The Doc (who only had to draw twice fast in his career, and won the race both times) is out now. :cool:
 
I have a stainless copy of the Baby Browning made by Bauer. It is a well made little gun with good machining. Gun is reliable and accurate for such a tiny little popper.

I carry it in dress slacks when I don't feel like carrying something larger.

Good little gun. I have a feeling that the .25 will do what needs to be done if I do my part.

Nice stainless with pearl grips makes it absolutely pimptastic!
 
25 auto

I own two cheap Davis derringers, one in .22 lr, one in 25 auto. There were bought for shower duty. When I am in a camp ground, or in a motel room, I place one in a plasitc soap dish that I can close up tight, and take it right in the shower w/ me. My wife does the same thing with the other one in the women's shower room.
 
My opinion: there are some nice little .25s that make great guns for the collection, but for actual self defense, there are much better choices today that are just as easy to carry.
 
Echoing an earlier poster, are 418's steel framed? The aluminum frames are the main reason I don't own any Beretta's. I may see one at a gunshow and pick it up.
 
The Beretta 950 .25acp is a classic, highly reliable, ultra-small self defense handgun. The .25acp is much more reliable than a .22lr. Obviously, shot placement for this small caliber is most important.
+1 on the 950BS I have 2 of them
Great little 25 autos.
One of the test sites got 13 and 16" in jell for the 25 auto. Remember 12" is FBI approved.
 
Or....slip this in your pocket holster...

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There are few absolutes in this field. However, if I were in a desperate fight situation, on the ground, and I saw a .25 pistol next to a rock, I would have to think really hard about which one to pick up. Keeping in mind, NO handgun bullet is really sufficient for SD, if the .25 isn't the absolute worst, I don't know what is. I know a cop who got hit with one, when he was wearing a leather coat. It left a welt. (Yes, I really do know him, this wasn't a guy I heard of.) When you use a pistol for self-defense, it means everything else has gone wrong, and circumstances will never be perfect. I'm trying to imagine, trying to even find the thing in the cold, aiming it with such a small sight radius, hoping it has enough velocity to clear the barrel AND penetrate the clothes of the person I'm shooting at. I don't want their reaction to be "OW!! That HURT!!"

As far as being small and convenient, If some guys want to carry .380s, I'll bite it off and say whatever, but when I realize that there are sub-compact Glocks in 9mm, .40, ,357 Sig, .45 GAP, and .45 ACP, I see little justification to trust your life to anything smaller. If it was a loved one I was talking to, I would confiscate a .25 and help them get something bigger.

Buy, own, shoot, and carry whatever you want. Because it's fun, because it's cute, great. But DON'T try to talk yourself into thinking this is in ANY WAY a good choice to trust your life on. I don't care if you DO know how to use it, in the moment of truth, the last thing that will go through your mind before the trigger breaks is; "I really, REALLY wish I had ANY gun besides THIS one right now."
 
I have a Walther model 5 in .25acp and its a great little gun. Its in very good condition for its age and it shoots great. Its more of a collecters item for me but I wouldn't hesitate to carry it in a pinch...

DS
 
Last month's American Rifleman, in the Armed Citizen's Column had a one-shot stop, lethal, with a .25 ACP.

The .25 ACP was designed to correct the short-comings of the .22 rim-fire cartridge when used in a small semi-auto. The centerfire primer is more reliable than the spun-in rim-fire priming. The rimless case feeds more reliably, and the .25 cal. provides more surface area.

Most pocket semi-auto .22s will not reliably feed and function with the slightly over long Stinger case. Most manufacturers also warn against the use of hyper-velocity rounds in pocket rim-fires, for reliability issues.

The Model 1903 Colt, the Baby Brownings, and the like, are smaller than the mini-"self-defense" guns recommended by so many. Given a choice between a rock of the same size, and a .25 ACP gun, only a fool would hesitate to use the gun.

While they aren't much, they beat a similar sized .22 semi-auto in power delivered, and reliability. They darn-sure beat a menacing look, and a sharp retort.
 
You can buy a Kel-Tec P-32 that is thinner, lighter, and less costly.

I have a Kel-Tec P3AT .380 that is lighter then my .25 ACP Baby Browning.

On the otherhand, the .25 ACP is not going to just
"make them so mad they would want to spank you for that."

Most .25 ACP ball ammo with give 12" to 16" penetration in Ballistic Gel.
http://www.brassfetcher.com/var25acp.html

http://www.brassfetcher.com/CCI Blazer and Sellier and Bellot FMJ.html


Empty a magazine in someones chest and his main concern will be making it to the hospital alive.

Not spanking you!
 
It's worth at least mentioning that a Kel-Tec 38 is about the size and weight of a 25 but the bullet is much wider and you can get Double Tap ammo that gives 200 pounds from the KT barrel. A 25 gives 75. Chance of stopping somebody is much better and as easy to carry.
It's also worth mentioning that bigger is better but nothing is certain. Sometimes one shot from a little pop-gun works instantly...sometimes many shots from a big gun seem to do no good. It's all just playing averages.
Gun battles are gambles and winning gamblers have as much as possible in their hand when tossing chips in the pot. In picking a gun for a game you may HAVE to play when wishing you didn't try to pick a winner.
My Kel-Tecs and My XD-45c aren't "cute" or "sexy." They look like crap. They're not for beauty contests but for th ugliest, nastiest event I may never be able to weasel out of. :uhoh: I'm pretty sure cute and sexy won't be topping my agenda right that minute. :eek:
 
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