.30-30 Disrespect?

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The one's that are disrespecting the 30-30 are the very one's that have to have the latest and greatest super whiz bang magnum bolt action rifle and the furthest there shooting is one hundred yards!!!
 
i killded these at one time with my 30- 30 i only had six shells in my rifle and shot all six times why the dogs was runing the deer 4 hit out of six 3 of them droped in there tracks :) Picture009.jpg
 
Agreed, just ask any of the diss'ers if they want to stand down range a ways while we practice - say 200 yds as it's obvious we can't hit them :neener:
 
Of course a 30-30 is completely adequate for taking any deer sized game. That said however, there are better cartridges out there. The 30-30 was designed in the 1890's and it shows. The rimmed case, low pressure rating and mostly round nosed bullets all handicap it compared to more modern cartridges, (like the 30-06 :D).
 
Sorry, I wouldn't hunt anything bigger than a squirrel with a 30-30




....just kidding. I've never had a 30-30, but I wouldn't be averse to the idea.
 
killchain said:

The only reason I don't own a lever is because the levers hurt my fingers to cycle.
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<<Geno pauses to check an' make sure killchain isn't his neighbor, then retorts...>>

Ah, come-on cupcake! Man-up there. :neener:

Geno :D
 
And I bet none of you have shot a 30-30 bolt gun with hand loads? They can step quite a ways away from a lever gun. Then there are the Remington 30-30 Accelerators - now that's stepping right along :)
 
.30-30 in South America:
Client of mine's father spent 10 years in the Amazon forest, with his Win 94 .30WCF. Rifle has amazing patina.

A friend hunts with a NIB mid-60s commemorative 94. That long octagonal barrelled partridge-sighted .30-30 has taken one-shot kills each year, out to 140yds thus far, with Winchester's 170gr factory loads. When we first took this rifle to the range, to sight it in, it shot very consistently.

Buddy has only been hunting 3 years, is a very fine offhand shot, and does not feel under-armed in spite of the local bear population. Certainly, he has not heard the siren song of the new whizz-bang magnums.
 
Broc:

True so true. My grandfather took literally dozens of deer over his 93 years. All were taken with two different firearms:

1) 16 gauge with buckshot

2) bolt-action Savage 340 .30-30 Win

My great-grandfather bought the rifle for my grandfather as an anniversary gift. He never could understand why folks bought magnum anything...

Geno
 
You can push it in a bolt gun or Contender carbine, but it's no slouch in any lever arm. Yes I think it's light for moose, BUT plenty of dead moose think otherwise.

I've hunted deer, elk and even antelope with a 30-30. A scope makes a big difference when you're shooting past 100 yards. I always liked to load it 'heavy' with a 170 gr bullet rather than the more popular 150's, but then again that was my 'starter' gun for big game.
 
I have a 25-35, You get used to that you tend to disrepect a 30-30 a lot for good reasion. Shoots flatter with 1/3 the kick and at 100yds you cant tell a 30-30 hole from a 25-35 hole so yes I dis the 30-30 to all heck.
 
Fact is, the .30-30 has more range but properly loaded, the .44Mag will (and has!) take anything on planet earth.
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In the mid 1970's, when gun magazines actually had good writers and interesting artcles, Guns And Ammo did a .44 magnum revolver versus .30-30 Rifle article. One writer defended one and another defended the other. They shot both weapons at various media and objects to prove their respective points. I wish I can remember more details. I wish I still had it.

One test involved shooting both of them at five gallon cans full of water. The .44 magnum blew the can up. When the .30-30 hit the can, it launched straight up like a rocket. The .30-30's faster, much faster bullet had a much more pronounced effect. They also shot into wet paper, wood, you name it. The .30-30 out perfromed the .44 magnum in every test. The only advantage the revolver had was portability.

One also needs to compare the sectional densities of the bullets. This number does have a bearing on a bullets ability to penetrate. 240 grain 44 caliber bullets have a sectional density of .186. A 170 grain 30 caliber bullet has a SD of .256. These are not even close. You can launch the 30 caliber, 170 grainer out of a .30-30 at over 2,000 feet per second. At one hundred yards you still have 1,700 feet per second. At 240 grain .44 magnum starts off at around 1,400 feet per second and has a velocity of 1,100 FPS one hundred yards downrange. Again, no small diference. Velocity is a factor in performance.

Yes, the .44 magnum has and can take many game species at reasonable ranges. But whatever it can do, the .30-30 Winchester can do better.
 
 
Mr. Eatman...How accurate must a .30-30 be with its original iron sights? Is a three round spread of 1 5/8" at 100 yards good enough? And this is from a 62 year old Mod 94.

In times past (as everyone knows) the .30 WCF (.30-30) has taken more game then any other loading. Even today it accounts for a vast number of game placed in the freezer. It is still a viable caliber. Yes it has its limitations, but within those limitations it probably is the best choice.
 
I have owned a savage 840 and liked it but the magazine left bullet choices still a bit limited...has anyone ever taken a modern savage/stevens rifle and chambered it in 30 wcf?
 
In the mid 1970's...
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A whole hell of a lot has changed since the 1970's. We ain't talking about factory 240gr jacketed bullets and water jugs. We're talking about heavyweight hardcast bullets that penetrate like a freight train and break large bones.
 
I always hunted with bolt actions but friends convinced be to buy a lever gun in 35 rem which is similar to the 30-30 round for close cover situations in the NE.

....I never liked the stubby small round or the lever rifle. ...after using a bolt action in a good round there is no going to a small lever gun with a round like a 30-30 IMO.

Yeh, it will kill a deer at 75 yards ...so what?
 
Love mine! Deer hate it, that is for sure. It is a great gun to shoot targets with since it is cheap to load for, takes forever to wear the barrel. Sure it is not flat shooting, but that is what the adjustable rear sight and holdover is for... Get good with it and shoot some 400 yard steel. That will win you some bets on the 30 30 haters.

The pointed hornady bullets are interesting too... especially for some distance. I have not gotten to mess with them too much yet, but hopefully I will this spring. I would not hunt far with the 30 30, but it is a blast for target shooting and plinking at distance.
 
I think most of the "disrespect" is due to it's age."OMG its so OOOLD! I simply refuse (if I could spell a lisp I would, just use your imagination) to shoot anything that's not shiny, new, longer, flatter, harder, make my coffee, bring in my newspaper, before it leaves the muzzle of my space age digitally enhanced, texting, talking, e-mailing, streaming video capable black rifle!":neener:
The fact is, that it's an excellent intermediate 30 caliber cartridge. Since the advent of polymer tipped bullets, it's only real shortcoming if you could call it that, is it's rimmed case. but even that isn't a problem with a properly designed box magazine. It is powerful enough for the majority of large game in North America. Although I admit I would prefer having a 30-06 during an encounter with dangerous North American game, the 30-30 has power to spare for everything except for angry(or not) brown bears, grizzly bears, and polar bears. Just remember, shot placement is king, you are no better off with a .50 BMG than you would be with a .22 rim-fire if you can't hit anything with it. Another good quality of the 30-30 is it's reload-ability. With it's lower chamber pressures there is very little longitudinal stretching of the case so the brass lasts longer. It is also easyer on the gun's locking system. This is due to the fact that the base of the shell doesn't slam against the breach face, most of the force is transmitted from the chamber walls to the receiver. And finally, it's as plentiful as .308's, 30-06's, .223's, and 7.62x39's. There is a lot more to the 30-30 than just nostalgia, it will be around for long time.
 
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