Perhaps, but they'll damn sure penetrate deep into ol' Yogi, and I'd bet there'd be a fair amount of tumbling and resultant tissue/bone/organ damage. I'd take it over the .30 carbine or .357 anyday. Not that I'm going to be hanging out in bear country anytime soon.....
.30 Carbine versus bear?
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Perhaps, but they'll damn sure penetrate deep into ol' Yogi, and I'd bet there'd be a fair amount of tumbling and resultant tissue/bone/organ damage. I'd take it over the .30 carbine or .357 anyday. Not that I'm going to be hanging out in bear country anytime soon.....
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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How about a Remington 7400 .30-06 carbine?
The M1 will just PO the critter and the splinters will make good toothpicks for it.
The M1 will just PO the critter and the splinters will make good toothpicks for it.
Decker
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We are talking camp gun i beleive?
Went back and read where this started, and keeping that little gun in camp is fine. The reality of it is, a black bear is going to come to camp looking for your food, not you, last i checked black bear attacks on humans are extremely rare, they just arent that bold a critter.
Grizzlies coming to camp are a whole nother game though, grizzlies period really. I hunt th eBob Marshal wilderness here in MT alot, and only live 80 miles from Yellowstone park, this is griz country for sure. I know everyone laughs about the pepper spray, but it is quite effective, everybow hunter i know, myself included carries it.
While its not a 44mag on your belt, you do carry it with you all the time, the carbine will be leaning against a tree, beside the sleeping bag, whatever when in camp, I doubt shes packing it 100% of the time, but would always have the pepper spray on her.
Here is why its better than a gun for most people in the world, and definitely worth having as a backup.
Majorit of grizzly encounters happen fast, and I mean fast! You might get one shot if its frontal, if it hits you from behind, your already down. Once down, that pepper spray carried on a chest holster is still useful. If you can get your hand on your chest, you can litterally fog the area, doesnt have to be a direct hit. yeah, you suffer too, but i'll take my eyes burnt out of my head before a bear gettin chewed to death. Same goes with frontal attack, you get to aim in that case, but you are shooting a wide path of spray, putting up a barrier so to speak. Better odds IMO.
For a camp gun, that little 30 is probably sufficient, but isn't my choice for sure. My camp gun is a remington 870 with 20 inch slug barrel and full mag of slugs. If i have the chance to shoot it out point blank with a griz, hard to beat a slug.
I really wouldn't worry about the black bears, i got a better chance of hitting the lottery than having a bad deal with them. The griz are always the issue, just flat unpredictable. I have had them false charge at 50 yrads, but have never had to test any theories out fortunately.
Anyhow, my two cents living here in Bozeman Montana, I have alittel first hand experience, and you wont catch me in griz country without the pepper spray, its a viable plan, either as backup, or first choice depending on the situation.
Went back and read where this started, and keeping that little gun in camp is fine. The reality of it is, a black bear is going to come to camp looking for your food, not you, last i checked black bear attacks on humans are extremely rare, they just arent that bold a critter.
Grizzlies coming to camp are a whole nother game though, grizzlies period really. I hunt th eBob Marshal wilderness here in MT alot, and only live 80 miles from Yellowstone park, this is griz country for sure. I know everyone laughs about the pepper spray, but it is quite effective, everybow hunter i know, myself included carries it.
While its not a 44mag on your belt, you do carry it with you all the time, the carbine will be leaning against a tree, beside the sleeping bag, whatever when in camp, I doubt shes packing it 100% of the time, but would always have the pepper spray on her.
Here is why its better than a gun for most people in the world, and definitely worth having as a backup.
Majorit of grizzly encounters happen fast, and I mean fast! You might get one shot if its frontal, if it hits you from behind, your already down. Once down, that pepper spray carried on a chest holster is still useful. If you can get your hand on your chest, you can litterally fog the area, doesnt have to be a direct hit. yeah, you suffer too, but i'll take my eyes burnt out of my head before a bear gettin chewed to death. Same goes with frontal attack, you get to aim in that case, but you are shooting a wide path of spray, putting up a barrier so to speak. Better odds IMO.
For a camp gun, that little 30 is probably sufficient, but isn't my choice for sure. My camp gun is a remington 870 with 20 inch slug barrel and full mag of slugs. If i have the chance to shoot it out point blank with a griz, hard to beat a slug.
I really wouldn't worry about the black bears, i got a better chance of hitting the lottery than having a bad deal with them. The griz are always the issue, just flat unpredictable. I have had them false charge at 50 yrads, but have never had to test any theories out fortunately.
Anyhow, my two cents living here in Bozeman Montana, I have alittel first hand experience, and you wont catch me in griz country without the pepper spray, its a viable plan, either as backup, or first choice depending on the situation.
Float Pilot
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One of the Departments I worked for had an M-2 Carbine (select fire) that belonged to the chief. He used to keep it in his car all the time with about 6 magazines of ball ammo.
We had season with lots of bear calls. One day the LT. decided to borrow the Chief's M2 carbine on a bear call.
While a bunch of kids and moms were looking on from low income housing, the LT decided to let the bear have it on full auto. He later cliamed he thought it was on semi.
Well..... The 300 pound blackie took 15 or so rounds amidships while the rest of the magazine went off into a dumpster. All the hardball rounds went through him and he was dead as a door nail by the time I arrived 30 seconds later.
I had to shoot a bunch of feral dogs with that darn carbine as well. Usually they ran off after taking two or three hits. It was very embarrassing... I would not want to shoot anything that had a bad temper with one of those things..
We had season with lots of bear calls. One day the LT. decided to borrow the Chief's M2 carbine on a bear call.
While a bunch of kids and moms were looking on from low income housing, the LT decided to let the bear have it on full auto. He later cliamed he thought it was on semi.
Well..... The 300 pound blackie took 15 or so rounds amidships while the rest of the magazine went off into a dumpster. All the hardball rounds went through him and he was dead as a door nail by the time I arrived 30 seconds later.
I had to shoot a bunch of feral dogs with that darn carbine as well. Usually they ran off after taking two or three hits. It was very embarrassing... I would not want to shoot anything that had a bad temper with one of those things..
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351 WINCHESTER
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A cool shot could probably pull it off with a head shot. Personally I would like to see your daughter carrying a marlin .44 mag. loaded with a good heavy duty round.
22/22mag
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Find her a good used Ruger .44mag semi-auto carbine at least she could get off 5 quick shots.
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Threeband, you're evil. Mmmmm, koala-burgers. 
Just to reiterate: If you must use .30 carbine for defense against a 300-500 lb mature male bruin, then ball ammo is better than the choice of soft points, IMO. Without penetration, you ain't gonna have a chance stop him. Unless you have pepper spray instead, which is a better choice for defense.
Just to reiterate: If you must use .30 carbine for defense against a 300-500 lb mature male bruin, then ball ammo is better than the choice of soft points, IMO. Without penetration, you ain't gonna have a chance stop him. Unless you have pepper spray instead, which is a better choice for defense.
USSR
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+1.
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Cosmoline
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This point is worth repeating, since it doesn't seem to sink in very easily. A bear on the attack is not like the slow-moving creatures you seen in zoos or on the discovery channel. They are like huge torpedoes, and move through game trails and tunnels in undergrowth that's often so thick you won't actually see them until they're right next to you. Every time I've run across a bear I've heard it before I've seen it. The notion that you'll be able to get to cover and engage in some protracted firefight with a thirty round mag with an actual attacking bear is absurd. You might POACH a bear that way, but if it's really attacking you it will be over much faster than that, one way or the other.
gvnwst
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the 30 carbine is illegal in many states for deer hunting. much less self defense from a animal that thinks of you as lunch. or will, as soon as you let a misplaced round loose.
Go with something like a .458 chambered AR....
Go with something like a .458 chambered AR....
SoCalShooter
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I would say no. You probably will just upset the bear, now a shotgun loaded with slugs or something in 44mag like a marlin is a much better idea.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want a .30 cal in that situation.
Ignition Override
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The Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine is supposed to have a heavy recoil, but with steel nerves, four shots can kill a Grizzly bear, from what we read.
Four accurate shots with the very smooth action.
Or two shots from a MN 44 for a smaller adult black bear, aimed from a tree stand.
Four accurate shots with the very smooth action.
Or two shots from a MN 44 for a smaller adult black bear, aimed from a tree stand.
chemist308
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She's accurate, so use it
I realize everyone is saying a 44 mag is better for bear; a 12 guage with buckshot or slugs is better...Hell a RPG is better too.
Look, when the SHTF the best gun to use is the one you actually have and maybe can hit stuff with. Sounds like the 30 carbine meets both of these criteria for her, so by all means use it. Although we don't have grizzly's in PA, we do have black bear. Even though predatory attacks on humans are rare, I carry a 357 when hiking. But it's loaded with 38 specials. Why? Because I can't hit $#%! with a hot 357 load, so it isn't going to do me any good. Hitting the target is most important.
Many people consider the 357 sufficient for most issues, maybe not Alaskan grizzlies. But the 30 carbine is on par with the 357 mag, gives much faster follow up shots, is probably more accurate, and holds about 9 more rounds.
I realize everyone is saying a 44 mag is better for bear; a 12 guage with buckshot or slugs is better...Hell a RPG is better too.
Look, when the SHTF the best gun to use is the one you actually have and maybe can hit stuff with. Sounds like the 30 carbine meets both of these criteria for her, so by all means use it. Although we don't have grizzly's in PA, we do have black bear. Even though predatory attacks on humans are rare, I carry a 357 when hiking. But it's loaded with 38 specials. Why? Because I can't hit $#%! with a hot 357 load, so it isn't going to do me any good. Hitting the target is most important.
Many people consider the 357 sufficient for most issues, maybe not Alaskan grizzlies. But the 30 carbine is on par with the 357 mag, gives much faster follow up shots, is probably more accurate, and holds about 9 more rounds.
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Threeband
Thanks! This thread was depressing me until you put up the Koala.... we need a little humor here.
Thanks! This thread was depressing me until you put up the Koala.... we need a little humor here.
HorseSoldier
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Putting a couple rounds over a bear's head may scare if off, from a .30 carbine or anything else, if it's being inquisitive and nosing towards a camp. Unlikely to make much difference in full charge mode, as others have noted.
ssfeldjager
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Using a .30 carbine for bear? Sure; no sweat.
BTW, check your health and life insurance coverage. Funerals run in the $13k plus range. Just being prepared.
BTW, check your health and life insurance coverage. Funerals run in the $13k plus range. Just being prepared.
brassdog
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Why not use a mini-30? It has the same basic layout with a proven cartridge. Not sure I'd use one for bear but it be better than the .30 carbine M1.
76shuvlinoff
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If all I had was a damn .22 it would be empty when they found my remains.
30 carbine is better than pillow fight.
30 carbine is better than pillow fight.
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