.32 acp... deadly

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Hi Guys,
I live in the UK and i regularly get called out to do animal destruction by the local police.

I use a walther ppk .32 acp. my round is a 60 gr hornady xtp loaded on 3 grains of vectan A1.

i generally head or atlas shoot the animals at close range. I find that the bullet nearly always fully penetrates 6 inches of boney skull and exits.

I would not like to be hit by .32acp.

The last couple i have done have been in the town centre of a small town. the next time i get a rural one i will keep the carcass and do some terminal performance tests.

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Thanks for sharing. Your report supports the idea of "Shot placement " as being most important in pistol self defense.
 
See if I get this right: you are a regular citizen in the UK, and the local police have to call you out to dispatch an animal because you have a permit and registered gun, and they do NOT?
 
What size and demeanor animals are you talking about? Are they restrained or are they free ranging? I have no compunction when it comes to killing animals under certain circumstances such as for food or general human welfare.

Aside from that, shot placement is indeed king.
 
What is an atlas shot you speak of ??
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I'm gonna pretend I'm on a quiz show or something and guess it's a shoulder shot, based on the Greek Titan Atlas' carrying of the world on his shoulders.. just musing here..
 
The Atlas is where the skull meets the spine. I know this because I broke my C1 vertebrae in 1981, and they called it a "fracture of the Atlas, or C1 vertebrae". Wasn't much fun, but I'm OK.

So basically, a shot to the base of the skull.
 
Just about anything will kill reliably if absolute precision is allowed. In one of my history books I have a "humane firearm" that was designed to dispatch wounded horses circa WWI. It had a device to position it so that the .32 caliber round would penetrate the braincase into the medulla.

That this translates to being desireable for combat is unwarranted.....No one can guarantee any precision whatever in a gunfight.
 
SharpsDressedMan said:
See if I get this right: you are a regular citizen in the UK, and the local police have to call you out to dispatch an animal because you have a permit and registered gun, and they do NOT?
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The regular police do not carry guns in the UK. My guess is that the OP is a veterinarian or works for animal control.

Even in the USA, police don't like to shoot animals because of the paperwork required every time they discharge their firearm. I have been asked by an officer to put down an animal in the past to save him the hassle.
 
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As a retired LEO in a smaller city [ pop 50 K,transient 10 million ] I had to dispatch a few critters.
Deer,dog,possum,coon,cats - and a I used what was at hand = I used a 38 special,40 S&W,32acp,.22lr,12 bore [ buck or #5 ],5.56.
Depending on if it was handy and IF it had to be reported [ less paperwork ].
ALL did their job fast & clean = yes to shot placement.
 
I don't know why but I've been having a craving to get into .32 ACP :)

I have almost all 9mm because I was one of those guys who didn't feel comfortable with less than 9mm, but I see FMJ 32 rounds going 13 to 15 inches deep... ya the bullets aren't getting huge but they would perforate vital tissue.

Maybe I just want one...
 
.32 acp

Please do go on about your vocation.

I am sorry, I didn't understand i was....

I am a private citizen. In the uk most police officers are unarmed. If an armed officer needs to use a firearm it results in a mountain of paperwork and authorisation at the highest level. Armed units are quite few and far between so the last thing they need is getting tied up with animal destruction. Most Vets don't carry firearms... they are also hugely expensive to call out and in times of mega budget deficits the police do not want to find the money to call out a vet that cant do the job.

In the UK there is a voluntary accreditation system for deer hunters. I am a member of a local deer management organisation.... we do all aspects of management ... not just hunting... the organisation offers a service to local police... RSPCA to destroy animals injured in accidents etc. in order to be involved in this scheme a member needs to be trained to DSC level 2 and to have attended an RTA responders course. I get called out once or twice a month.

I take my pistol, a 12 gauge shotgun; with sg and #6 shot, and sometimes a 7mm08 or .30-06 rifle... dependant on circumstances. We go to deer mainly including reds. A lowland red stag is about as big as your elk. However, i have also done badgers, swans, dogs. Mostly i do roe, fallow and muntjac deer. most are at the roadside ... it is an act of mercy. some are more free ranging with broken limbs. Hence the rifles.

the atlas joint is the base of the skull... C1 as one of our members said. It's a killer shot.

I hope this clarifies things.

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one thing to consider with the .32acp is rim lock from the shorter hollow points. the cartridge is semi-rimmed and movement in the magazine can lead to rim lock. the longer FMJ rounds are not as susceptible to this.

in this caliber I would only recommend a FMJ unless the gun was designed for the shorter h.p. rounds such as with the LWS32.

I just realized this was a thread about the coup de grace on an animal not for defense from human attackers.
 
I thought handgun ownership was banned in the UK

under s.5 of the firearms act it is, except in certian circumstances. one of them circumstances is when you use it for humane destruction of animals. This is mine

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Interesting. I thought the only handguns allowed in the UK for that purpose were those "humane" single shot pistols that have to be pressed against a body to fire.

Jim
 
The last deer I disposed off after an auto accident (two badly broken rear legs and one front) was done with a piece of 1.5 inch type L tempered copper pipe about 24 inches long.

It took one good swing to the base of the skull.
Neck broken.

A quick thank you from the police at the scene and I was on my way.

Tee only folks shocked where a couple of effete liberals that seemed to think the animal could (should) be saved.
 
I had to do it once as an officer. The animal was a wild boar that had made its way into a residential area. I went after it carrying my Mossberg 500, loaded with 00-buck. I followed it for a few blocks on foot, until it dove into a waterway between two streets, and behind a home at which a backyard BBQ was taking place. The family had a boat docked back there, and the father, a veterinarian himself, took me out on it to catch up to the animal. Once we pulled up on it (hogs are remarkable swimmers!), I decided I was too close to use the shotgun, and set it aside for my .38 revolver, loaded with Winchester +P 95-grain Silvertip hollow-points.

My first shot struck behind the nape of the neck, slightly off to one side, and lodged in fatty tissue near the shoulder. The hog dove beneath the boat, and re-emerged on the other side. My second shot struck along the rib cage on one side and had little, if any, effect. My third struck right behind the skull, shattering the spine, and causing the animal's head to go beneath the water. The animal lived just long enough to drown, judging by the volume of water we later drained from its lungs. He was too heavy to pull aboard, so we towed the carcass to a nearby boat ramp.

Got quite a bit of attention there from the other boaters coming in from their Sunday fishing trips! :D
 
I like .32acp/7.65. It's a dandy round. No, not my first choice for self defense. But then, that's not really what this thread is about.
I wish it were a little cheaper. Oh well.
I'd love to get my wife a PPK in .32, someday. So she can play Bond.
 
mr bond

Do you run around Thornton Abbey pretending to be Bond with the .32 PPK?

sometimes, when i am not at home with Pussy Galore...

The abbey is only 5 miles away. do I know you?
 
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