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44 Mag - 2 questions

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guitarguy314

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Hey guys!

I have two questions regarding 44 magnum revolvers

1) Is the S&W 29-2 from 74-75 a good gun? Pretend Dirty Harry never existed. What makes them great (or terrible)?

2) Is the ruger redhawk 44mag 7.5' Barrel in stainless a good gun? Is $650 a good price for one?

Thanks guys!

L
 
1. The 29-2 is purportedly not a good candidate for a lot of full house .44 mag loads.

2. $650 for a Redhawk .44 mag sounds high by $100-$150 depending on condition.
 
Heck yes the 29-2 is a good gun. My friend has 4" version and it has one sweet-smooth double action trigger. Outstanding fit and finish. Singe action is almost too light. That model has the pinned barrel which is preferred over the "crushed" on barrels of the newer smiths as well as no mim parts. They don't build em like this any more!

The ruger redhawk is like a beefed up less refined version of the 29. It's bigger and is so strong reloading manuals have ruger specific data for these guns that pushes the 44 magnum to infinity and beyond(that would blow up the smith). The trigger/fit and finish on the ruger is usually not as good as an early model smith like you mentioned but durability wise the ruger takes the cake. $650 for a new red hawk is a good price. Used is an okay price.
 
Older 29's had a little better quality of finish and have a little more collectors interest. If you want a gun to shoot a lot, especially with hotter loads a newer version might be a better choice.

Rugers are noted for being tanks and most who want a dedicated hunting gun for hot loads like them better than the Smiths. I don't handgun hunt so my 3 and 4" model 629's serve my needs better. Both are good guns. I have no idea as to the value of either gun. I haven't paid any attention to what they are selling for in years.
 
I ask about the rugers because today I was out pawn shop hopping and I saw two at different stores for 650. It's an odd gun for me to see alot of.

I really don't hunt, so I won't be blasting the 29, but can it take factory 44 mag loads?
 
People dump a half pound of 2400 into a case, and then cram a 300 grain bullet on top, then wounder why the 29 start's to rattle. If you stick to 240 grain book loads your kid's won't wear it out.

The same nuclear 300 grain loads won't even start to wear out a SRH. But your hand's will wear out from them if you use that load long enough.
 
Hey guys!

I have two questions regarding 44 magnum revolvers

1) Is the S&W 29-2 from 74-75 a good gun? Pretend Dirty Harry never existed. What makes them great (or terrible)?

2) Is the ruger redhawk 44mag 7.5' Barrel in stainless a good gun? Is $650 a good price for one?

Thanks guys!

L
1. Yes in good hands it is.

2. Yes but I'd talk him down a bit if I could.

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These two are my 629s. The regular 4 incher is a 629-1, and the Mountain gun is a 629-2. Both excellent guns!

Deaf
 

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I have found S&W to have better double action triggers than Rugers. Single action, the difference is not so noticeable, but S&W gets the nod there, too. That is box stock. Polishing the action can do wonders for any gun.

But I prefer Rugers. Here's why:

I owned two S&W revolvers in my past. Model 28 6" Highway Patrolman .357 Magnum )same N-frame as your 44 Mag Model 29) and a K-22 Masterpiece 6" 22 rimfire. When I took the sideplate off the .22, I saw all those small parts inside (comparing it to my Dan Wesson, which had about half the number parts as the Smith.) I lubed the inside lightly, put the parts that sprang out back in and never opened it up again. I traded them off shortly thereafter. The Dan Wesson, in addition to having fewer parts, seemed to have more robust parts as well. Ruger parts are even more robust than the Smith or the DW. I like that.

Springs. The Ruger Redhawk uses coil springs. The Smith uses a single leaf as the mainspring. Coil springs are more durable. The Redhawk's lockwork is unlike any other revolver ever made. It uses a single spring to power the hammer AND the trigger return. This makes it a little harder to tune than a gun with separate springs, but if you like a unique gun, it is one.

Undeniably, the Smiths are beautiful guns, but Rugers have their own style of beauty. And, "Beauty is as beauty does." However, My Dan Wessons have lock times that other guns can only dream of.

Nobody seems to ask about Colts. I have a Colt Trooper with a double action trigger smooth as warm butter.

On the strength question, about 25 years ago, S&W made a big deal about the relative merits and strength of forged frames (S&W) vs investment cast frames (Ruger). Yeah, forged has an edge in strength-to-weight and strength-to-size ratios. But that edge has shrunk and, considering Ruger's frames are one-piece frames without sideplates, the design was always inherently stronger (opinion alert). And Ruger doesn't just make Ruger guns. They make frames for other gunmakers and investment cast parts for many other industries. Bill Ruger was a pioneer in investment casting post-war and Ruger still is a player in the industry. Meanwhile, many S&W parts are using MIM Casting technology, but if the M29 you are considering pre-dates their use, that is of no real concern to you.

Anyhow, a little extra weight has its own advantage in a heavy-recoiling gun.

Happy shooting.

Lost Sheep
 
I've shot and owned both the 629 and the Redhawk. I still have the Redhawk and use it for hunting. My favorite hunting loads would not fit in the 629 due to the cylinder being too short. I also found the Redhawk absorbed the full powered loads better, but the 29/629 is no slouch and is still a fine weapon (older ones of course ;)). The 629 is a big gun, but the Redhawk is a BIG gun.

I did not have enough money at the time to keep them both, and if I had to choose between the two again.... it would be the Redhawk.
 
I've owned 629's for a long time. Excellent guns and very accurate in my experience, S&W revolvers are the only brand I've ever owned. From what I've read S&W did enhance the durability of the Model 29 and 629 with an "endurance" package that was added in the late 1980's. I should note that the exterior of the guns did not change, so you have to go by model number. The Model 29 was changed in in 1987 with the Model 29-3 and the Model 629 changed in 1989 with the Model 629-2.

To find the specific model number on a gun you're looking at, swing out the cylinder and look in the area illustrated in the photo below.

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Smith & Wesson's reputation as "weak" started to gain ground back in the 80's when handgun silhouette shooting was gaining popularity. As someone else has said people would loat HOT load with heavy bullets to take down the bigger, heavier targets (rams) at long range. They were pushing the envelope for 44 magnum, and the guns did indeed wear out quicker. When you ask anything to do something it was never intended to do, it will wear out quicker.

The Redhawk is probably stronger. It was designed to be stronger. I wouldn't worry one bit about it if I was shooting factory ammo or equivalent. If I was going to push the envelope, I'd probably look for a Redhawk. I'm more of a 44 Special kind of guy, so the Model 29 serves my purpose quite well, but I doubt the average person would notice any difference.

Besides...the 29 looks like a million bucks.

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Oh. Around here a Model 29-2/3, the most common variations will start about $750.00 in decent condition and go up depending on condition, barrel length, and accessories. I've seen them SELL for around $1500.00 for nice examples of earlier models.

Redhawks when I see them seem to be tagged at $550-650.
 
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The biggest problem with buying a 29-2 is not knowing its history. It may be a just a few BB loads away from seperating metal parts. Lookfor a DW 44 mag built in monson mass. and loss the worries abot how it was treated. Great trigger in the large frame DW's too. Prices also tend to be lower than ether.
 
According to the seller on GB, the 29-2 I'm bidding on is unfired, and comes with the original box and paperwork. According to the serial number it was made between 74 and 75. I'm not really looking to max out a 44 magnum. In fact, the very thought scares me. XD. I'd shoot factory 44 mag loads and 44 special loads.

Knowing this, is the 29-2 suitable for my needs?

Also thanks for all of the input so far guys!
 
If the price is right it sounds like the gun for you. I recognize the Rugers advantages, they just don't apply to my uses. I prefer the smaller size of the Smith. I have 2, an older one and a 629-6. I don't shoot anything but factory loads and don't expect any problems. If I ever did need to shoot anything hotter, I'd feel better about it in the new gun though.
 
The N frame 29 is a gun which you could actually wear around for a day with a decent holster. The Ruger not so much.

I've got an N frame M28. Physically it's the same size gun as the 29 but in .357Mag. I recently got a 7 3/8" Redhawk in .44Mag. Sitting the two side by side there is no comparison. The Ruger is a little bigger all around. And as you may know weight goes up by the cube of the change in linear size. So the Ruger is also a noticably heavier gun.

All of which makes the Ruger a nicer gun to blast off lots of full house .44Mag in a single session. Meanwhile a S&W 629 has me shuddering in fear after two cylinders worth of rounds.

Mind you I know that this has a lot to do with how a gun fits the hands. My Redhawk has Pachmayer grips which simply do NOT fit me at all. Yet even with those it's still tolerable. I can barely imagine how nice it'll be once I make up some custom fitted wood grips to suit my hands.

Anyway, I'm off on a tangent now. As for which you should get much will depend on what and how you want to use the gun. For big fireball wrist thumpers I'd opt for the Ruger. If you would be carrying the gun around the woods or for other such uses in a holster much of the time then the S&W would be best.
 
I have shot a good bit of rounds through both and here is my conclusion.

1) The p&r smith has the best trigger in da and sa giving a "surprise" when you pull the trigger which leads to better accuracy for me. The ruger has a strong DA but not terrible and the single is okay.
2) The smith has a nicer finish and feels better in the hand. The target grips, target hammer, and target trigger make operating the gun feel amazing! My ruger has large pacmyer grips and feels okay.
3) The ruger is built tougher and stronger. It locks up in the yoke instead of the ejector rod And allows the use of heavier loads.
4) The ruger is heavier and because of it has lighter recoil at least to me. The smith with hot ones makes the checkered grips rub my hand as it rolls up and it snaps wildly which is awesome but not so fun after a few cylinders. The ruger could eat a whole box at one time no big deal.
5) the smith is generally $200 more than the ruger in used condition, and the new smiths suck because the grips are cheap, the da trigger is heavy, and it has a big ugly lock hole on the side. Also the underlug on a lot of new ones is full which I don't care for.

I went with the ruger!
 
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If your compare'n weight a 5.5" RRH and 6" sw29 are with under 2 oz difference. If I wanted a safe queen , get the sw. If you want one to shoot and play hard and pass along to family to shot and play hard get the ruger. That sw will be fine for light work BUT if the sw is really new and unfired it should be worth more to a real collector than as a plinker.

elano Good review.
 
The biggest problem with buying a 29-2 is not knowing its history. It may be a just a few BB loads away from seperating metal parts. Lookfor a DW 44 mag built in monson mass. and loss the worries abot how it was treated. Great trigger in the large frame DW's too. Prices also tend to be lower than ether.!
If it's that close to failing it will have end shake, crane shake, cylinder shake.... battered half to death. So it would be fairly easy to tell.

Deaf
 
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