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[dogtown tom]

A few years back I got a call from my dealer that I too had misspelled my street address. Claimed I had put two m's in the street name instead of one as shown in the city directory.

This is what I can't wrap my head around......why on earth would an FFL feel the urge to double check spelling on a 4473 after the customer has left the store?
He should verify that by looking at the buyers government issued photo ID when he is reviewing Section A of the 4473. The city directory is not a valid government issued photo ID and has nothing to do with anything.

I wonder if anyone has ever been prosecuted for perjury for inadvertent spelling errors on a 4473?

ATF has held that any error or omission is "willful". Whether inadvertent or a typo or even where there is no intent to falsify the form ....its a violation.

 

[dogtown tom]

I disagree that a mispelling or typo is a felony. The language the ATF uses backs me up on this: "and the FFL or the buyer wish to make a record of the discovery".

If a mispelling or type was a big deal they wouldn't leave making changes up to the discretion of the buyer/seller.

Your opinion doesn't count.
ATF does consider misspellings and typos a big deal. If not corrected it can and does lead to revocation of the dealers FFL.
Read: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections and https://www.nraila.org/articles/20220316/atf-targeting-ffls-for-license-revocation

 

[dogtown tom]

.......I don't believe a misspelling/typo is initially considered a felony. That is why they have the correction language. Intentionally not correcting incorrect information per the instructions is the real question.

If uncorrected........it most definitely is a violation of federal law.
For example: Buyer thinks he has completed the 4473 yet leaving question 18a "Ethnicity" unanswered. The dealer does not catch this error. Both buyer and dealer are in violation. Buyer because he certified that his answers were true, correct and complete.
Dealer because he failed to notice the omission of a response on 18a.

If later, buyer or dealer realizes the ommission and wishes to correct it they follow the procedure for corrections. If they don't correct according to ATF procedure and a compliance inspection notices that error......then the dealer will be cited.

Again, Intentionally not correcting incorrect information per the instructions is the real question.

Well, what question would that be?
Intentionally falsifying the information on a Form 4473 is most definitely a felony and always has been.

What is the chain store supposed to do once they find the error and the buyer refuses to change it?

Being a chain store has nothing to do with anything, the regs are the same for Academy and Cabelas as it is for lowly kitchen table dealers doing five transfers a month.
What do you think happens? The store cannot legally correct the information provided by the buyer in Section A. Only the buyer can do that.
The dealer better hope that a he doesn't have a compliance inspection in the next year.

Leave it and get dinged on their next audit?

Would you advise him to forge the information? Because if the customer refuses to return and correct it, "leave it" is the only alternative.

Keep records of their attempts to have the buyer correct it?
Report it and document the reporting?

Most definitely.

I'm not sure. But if I were the seller I'd protect my license.

You protect your license by being diligent in your procedures and review of the 4473 before the customer leaves the premises.

 

[Axis II]

If uncorrected........it most definitely is a violation of federal law.
For example: Buyer thinks he has completed the 4473 yet leaving question 18a "Ethnicity" unanswered. The dealer does not catch this error. Both buyer and dealer are in violation. Buyer because he certified that his answers were true, correct and complete.
Dealer because he failed to notice the omission of a response on 18a.

If later, buyer or dealer realizes the ommission and wishes to correct it they follow the procedure for corrections. If they don't correct according to ATF procedure and a compliance inspection notices that error......then the dealer will be cited.



Well, what question would that be?
Intentionally falsifying the information on a Form 4473 is most definitely a felony and always has been.



Being a chain store has nothing to do with anything, the regs are the same for Academy and Cabelas as it is for lowly kitchen table dealers doing five transfers a month.
What do you think happens? The store cannot legally correct the information provided by the buyer in Section A. Only the buyer can do that.
The dealer better hope that a he doesn't have a compliance inspection in the next year.



Would you advise him to forge the information? Because if the customer refuses to return and correct it, "leave it" is the only alternative.




Most definitely.







You protect your license by being diligent in your procedures and review of the 4473 before the customer leaves the premises.

Not being a jerk but where are you getting all this legal information accusing me of perjury, felonies, terrorism, espionage, or whatever else your getting all upset about. I wasn’t going to say anything but if these 3 clowns, who’s job is to sell firearm, ensure I am not a convicted felon, etc. can’t even catch a misspelling than maybe they should work at McDonald’s. We aren’t talking me leaving the store and then catching it we are talking me getting a phone call 6 days later saying I need to drive 3hrs, waste probably $40 in fuel, to fix an error that 3 people whom are paid to do this missed. Yes, I did miss it too but I also wouldn’t had made the mistake had the store not wanted me to stand there with a small tablet and put information into it cause someone is too lazy to file papers instead. I plan on fixing it so as to not have the counter guy possible lose his job but I will do it when I have time away from my 70hr work weeks. They F up more than me!

 

[Johnm1]

but where are you getting all this legal information accusing me of perjury, felonies

It's right on the top of form 4473.

Would you advise him to forge the information? Because if the customer refuses to return and correct it, "leave it" is the only alternative

I would never suggest breaking the law. I'm not an FFL and I am a terrible liar. When I initially asked the question "what is a licensed holder supposed to do once he notices the error" I was actually thinking that the best option would be to report it to the ATF that the buyer was not willing to correct the information. But I don't deal with bureaucracies often and that could be just a terrible idea for the license holder. I don't know. Hoping you don't get audited sounds like a really bad idea too.

I'm glad the OP is going to correct it.

 

[Mosin77]

Not being a jerk but where are you getting all this legal information accusing me of perjury, felonies, terrorism, espionage, or whatever else your getting all upset about. I wasn’t going to say anything but if these 3 clowns, who’s job is to sell firearm, ensure I am not a convicted felon, etc. can’t even catch a misspelling than maybe they should work at McDonald’s. We aren’t talking me leaving the store and then catching it we are talking me getting a phone call 6 days later saying I need to drive 3hrs, waste probably $40 in fuel, to fix an error that 3 people whom are paid to do this missed. Yes, I did miss it too but I also wouldn’t had made the mistake had the store not wanted me to stand there with a small tablet and put information into it cause someone is too lazy to file papers instead. I plan on fixing it so as to not have the counter guy possible lose his job but I will do it when I have time away from my 70hr work weeks. They F up more than me!

Dogtown Tom is 100% correct. He gets his info from the fact that he’s a dealer and knows the rules, same as all dealers are supposed to.

Now, that being said, the rules are not in themselves hard, but they are numerous and the ATF requires them to be exactly and perfectly executed every.single.time. What this means is that the store is just trying to cover their own behind and keep their license to sell guns. Since the ATF would love to make their own lives easier by eliminating most dealers -in the process eliminating the 2A itself if possible - it’s in our interest as firearms enthusiasts to help the dealers as we can. Human beings are not naturally skilled at paperwork and I’d wager that men (who make up the majority of gun enthusiasts/gunshop employees) are less skilled at it than women. So it sucks that 3 guys missed the error and it sucks that they were trying to use a tablet which is not very user friendly -most likely in a misguided attempt to make the process faster and easier. I’m happy you’re going to try to fix the matter, and I absolutely agree that the whole situation is preposterous. It is what it is, unfortunately.

 

[Riomouse911]

Every time I buy a gun, and now ammo in Ca., the clerk prints out a copy of the State form (DROS) after the info is put on it. I review it, then if all is good I sign it and it gets processed. I have caught a typo or two with these, it nips those in the bud. In other States where no State form is submitted then the 4473 should be reviewed before it’s submitted.

I have been zoinked by a paperwork snafu, too. In Ca there is a 1 gun per 30 days purchase limit. I have had an issue where something wasn’t dated right on the electronic form the FFL submitted to the State. The State DOJ denied the sale after a 10 day wait, and made me redo it with another 10 day wait.
So, adding up the 14 days the auction ran, five days from when I won until it was delivered to the FFL, 20 days for two 10 day waiting periods, that gun took roughly six weeks to get to me. And there was nothing I could do about it.

Stay safe.

 

[dogtown tom]

Not being a jerk but where are you getting all this legal information accusing me of perjury, felonies, terrorism, espionage, or whatever else your getting all upset about.

1. I accused you of nothing.
2. Your own statements, read them to see what you've admitted to.
3. I'm not the least bit upset.

I wasn’t going to say anything but if these 3 clowns, who’s job is to sell firearm, ensure I am not a convicted felon, etc. can’t even catch a misspelling than maybe they should work at McDonald’s.

Again, YOU misspelled your address. THAT'S ON YOU.

We aren’t talking me leaving the store and then catching it we are talking me getting a phone call 6 days later saying I need to drive 3hrs, waste probably $40 in fuel, to fix an error that 3 people whom are paid to do this missed. Yes, I did miss it too but I also wouldn’t had made the mistake had the store not wanted me to stand there with a small tablet and put information into it cause someone is too lazy to file papers instead. I plan on fixing it so as to not have the counter guy possible lose his job but I will do it when I have time away from my 70hr work weeks. They F up more than me!

Again, how did are they "catching it" six days later?

 

[bassjam]

Your opinion doesn't count.
ATF does consider misspellings and typos a big deal. If not corrected it can and does lead to revocation of the dealers FFL.
Read: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/compliance-inspections and https://www.nraila.org/articles/20220316/atf-targeting-ffls-for-license-revocation

Your opinion doesn't count either. Did you read your own links?

If an IOI finds violations during an FFL inspection, the nature and extent of the violations will determine next steps. When willfully committed, some regulatory violations pose public safety risks, and will result in ATF issuing a notice that it will revoke the license.

Absent extraordinary circumstances, ATF will issue a notice of revocation whenever it determines an FFL has willfully committed a single act of one of the following violations:

Other willful violations that may result in the issuance of a notice of revocation include but are not limited to failure to:

Do you see a pattern here? Honest mistakes, mispellings, and typos are NOT a "willful violation".

What's more, as I said in my first comment in this thread this is likely just the FFL wanting their records straight in case they get audited. Therefore, I don't believe OP is under obligation to spend 3 hours of his day driving to address what was NOT a "willful violation". If the FFL wishes to correct this that time is on them.

 

[dogtown tom]

Your opinion doesn't count either. Did you read your own links?

Yes I did....but you didn't.
From the ATF link:

What is a Willful Violation?
The GCA does not define “willful.” The federal courts, however, have held that a willful violation of the GCA’s regulations occurs when the FFL commits the violation with an intentional disregard of a known legal duty or with plain indifference to their legal obligations.

While relatively few FFLs engage in such conduct, the negative effect that willful violations have on public safety can be immense. Consequently, the courts have also held that a single willful violation of a GCA regulation is a sufficient basis for ATF to revoke an FFL’s license.

1. "Oopsies!" is not an exemption from the licensee's responsibility to keep accurate records. ATF IOI's make it clear to FFL's that the FFL should know accurate recordkeeping is required under federal law and that they consider every error, omission and mistake as "willful".
2. While IOI's may note every error, omission or typo during a compliance inspection, they have historically taken into account the number of transactions, whether the licensee has a history of the same violation and other factors before issuing warning letters, conferences or beginning revocation.
3. More serious violations, such as transferring a firearm without performing a background check, may result in more than just a report of violation, but immediate revocation proceedings.
4. Most importantly, the Biden Administration has ordered a zero tolerance policy in regards to FFL recordkeeping.

Do you see a pattern here? Honest mistakes, mispellings, and typos are NOT a "willful violation".

They most certainly are violations. As I pointed out above.
If an FFL makes a "typo" on the serial# such as 0123456 when the actual serial# is 0132456.
If the FFL "accidently" records an AK-47 as an AK-74.
"Honest mistakes" are not an exemption from being recorded as a violation.
One company that helps FFL's stay compliant with ATF is Orchid.
Here's what they say:https://orchidadvisors.com/zero-tolerance-protection-what-are-willful-violations/

Today, court decisions have ruled a licensee’s acts can be considered “willful” when done repeatedly, after prior warnings, and even without any deliberate intent to violate the law, especially after warning and instruction from the ATF.

What's more, as I said in my first comment in this thread this is likely just the FFL wanting their records straight in case they get audited. Therefore, I don't believe OP is under obligation to spend 3 hours of his day driving to address what was NOT a "willful violation". If the FFL wishes to correct this that time is on them.

First, "willful violation" is what the FFL is trying to avoid.
The OP on the other hand, is trying to correct the violation of federal law he committed. "Willful" isn't part of that.
OP's obligated to complete the 4473 with true, correct and complete information and certify under penalty of law that he did so. According to the OP he misspelled his street name. OP can fix that if he chooses.

I continue to wonder how or why the dealer "discovered" the misspelling six days later. Almost invariably, dealers use the buyers photo ID to compare the residence address given on the 4473 vs the address on that ID. The opportunity to recheck that spelling disappeared when the buyer left with that ID. Now six days later they believe the address is misspelled? How do they know?

 

[bassjam]

Yes I did....but you didn't.
From the ATF link:

1. "Oopsies!" is not an exemption from the licensee's responsibility to keep accurate records. ATF IOI's make it clear to FFL's that the FFL should know accurate recordkeeping is required under federal law and that they consider every error, omission and mistake as "willful".
2. While IOI's may note every error, omission or typo during a compliance inspection, they have historically taken into account the number of transactions, whether the licensee has a history of the same violation and other factors before issuing warning letters, conferences or beginning revocation.
3. More serious violations, such as transferring a firearm without performing a background check, may result in more than just a report of violation, but immediate revocation proceedings.
4. Most importantly, the Biden Administration has ordered a zero tolerance policy in regards to FFL recordkeeping.



They most certainly are violations. As I pointed out above.
If an FFL makes a "typo" on the serial# such as 0123456 when the actual serial# is 0132456.
If the FFL "accidently" records an AK-47 as an AK-74.
"Honest mistakes" are not an exemption from being recorded as a violation.
One company that helps FFL's stay compliant with ATF is Orchid.
Here's what they say:https://orchidadvisors.com/zero-tolerance-protection-what-are-willful-violations/




First, "willful violation" is what the FFL is trying to avoid.
The OP on the other hand, is trying to correct the violation of federal law he committed. "Willful" isn't part of that.
OP's obligated to complete the 4473 with true, correct and complete information and certify under penalty of law that he did so. According to the OP he misspelled his street name. OP can fix that if he chooses.

I continue to wonder how or why the dealer "discovered" the misspelling six days later. Almost invariably, dealers use the buyers photo ID to compare the residence address given on the 4473 vs the address on that ID. The opportunity to recheck that spelling disappeared when the buyer left with that ID. Now six days later they believe the address is misspelled? How do they know?

So you DID read your own links, but don't comprehend them? You're turning the text into something it is not. An accidental mispelling of a street name is NOT a willful violation. An intentional mispelling of a convicted felon's name and a wrong address so they can pass a background check IS a willful violation. Do you see the difference? Did you read that "zero tolerance" from the Biden administration? It's pretty clear that it's not about shutting down FFL's who have occasional minor issues of mispellings. It's about catching those who are "willfully" putting down incorrect information to circumvent the laws.

 

[LiveLife]

Gentle people of THR, this forum is supposed to be the "High Road", not a playground for pissing contest.

mess up

No one is perfect. We all make mistakes. (Believe me, I made plenty)

Life happens. But how we choose to respond, defines us.

Look at all of your life's detours and misadventures as "opportunities" to experience life and learn something. Consider the 3 hour drive an opportunity. Perhaps you can speak to the manager to work out something win-win ... Could he authorize a discount on something you need/want and he ends up with a happy customer? Could you make a "date trip" out of the 3 hour drive with your girlfriend and turn the trip into "special connection/bonding time"? Could you do something that's only available in that town? Perhaps a particular restaurant?

Since wife and I have a retirement PIF fund, how about this? I will PIF full cost of fuel for the 3 hour trip and even throw in a gift card for dinner for your "date trip" so the trip is transformed into a memorable event?

It would warm my heart for you to turn this "mess up" into something positive and I am sure your girlfriend will too.

I feel for you Axis. You always seem to have bad luck

I tell ya when it rains it pours

Been there.

You work hard to just take care of yourself and others and more and more things keep happening. And then you end up with blood pressure of 210/100 and your doctor tells you if you don't change, a stroke is in the horizon ... I took a deep breath and changed some things in my life ... and slowed down ... and went shooting to punch holes on paper. Now my blood pressure is 148/80, still high but not "imminent stroke" high.

I know how it feels to be overworked and overstressed and things "messing up" doesn't help. Perhaps you are due for a little break from life's overstressed work life? Maybe?

 

[Axis II]

Gentle people of THR, this forum is supposed to be the "High Road", not a playground for pissing contest.


No one is perfect. We all make mistakes. (Believe me, I made plenty)

Life happens. But how we choose to respond, defines us.

Look at all of your life's detours and misadventures as "opportunities" to experience life and learn something. Consider the 3 hour drive an opportunity. Perhaps you can speak to the manager to work out something win-win ... Could he authorize a discount on something you need/want and he ends up with a happy customer? Could you make a "date trip" out of the 3 hour drive with your girlfriend and turn the trip into "special connection/bonding time"? Could you do something that's only available in that town? Perhaps a particular restaurant?

Since wife and I have a retirement PIF fund, how about this? I will PIF full cost of fuel for the 3 hour trip and even throw in a gift card for dinner for your "date trip" so the trip is transformed into a memorable event?

It would warm my heart for you to turn this "mess up" into something positive and I am sure your girlfriend will too.


Been there.

You work hard to just take care of yourself and others and more and more things keep happening. And then you end up with blood pressure of 210/100 and your doctor tells you if you don't change, a stroke is in the horizon ... I took a deep breath and changed some things in my life ... and slowed down ... and went shooting to punch holes on paper. Now my blood pressure is 148/80, still high but not "imminent stroke" high.

I know how it feels to be overworked and overstressed and things "messing up" doesn't help. Perhaps you are due for a little break from life's overstressed work life? Maybe?

I appreciate the PIF offer but not necessary. I get to come home weekends from work training so Friday I’ll take the 30-40min detour and fix the paper. Sent you a PM regarding the rest.

 

[jmorris]

I am pretty sure this is why, in many gun games, the shooter unloads their firearm and then shows the RO that the firearm is clear and then, just incase both didn’t do the only thing at that moment they were supposed to be doing, the shooter then points into a safe direction and dry fires.

I have seen several times over the years the firearm goes off, and the shooter is DQ’ed. I always thought the RO should be given the boot too…

I don’t expect a lot out of people so I go over my work pretty well, if it’s important to me. I would be much more likely to catch an error like reversed digits in my address or zip code than someone that didn’t live in our house would be anyway.

Been a few years but I had a few form 1’s submitted and one came back approved with “multi” for caliber and another was kicked out, I talked to the gentleman and he told me they had changed what was acceptable between the two getting looked over for approval. So, he sent it back, I changed it and mailed it back to him, had my approved form 1, in hand in less than 2 weeks (light speed for the branch).

From what I have seen, you can complain all you want but doing it the way they want is the only way your going to get it done. Even if that changes..,

 

[Axis II]

I am pretty sure this is why, in many gun games, the shooter unloads their firearm and then shows the RO that the firearm is clear and then, just incase both didn’t do the only thing at that moment they were supposed to be doing, the shooter then points into a safe direction and dry fires.

I have seen several times over the years the firearm goes off, and the shooter is DQ’ed. I always thought the RO should be given the boot too…

I don’t expect a lot out of people so I go over my work pretty well, if it’s important to me. I would be much more likely to catch an error like reversed digits in my address or zip code than someone that didn’t live in our house would be anyway.

Kind of hard when your on a 8x8 iPad that wants you to type one box and scroll to another box and so on. Yeah, I probably goofed up but what gets me is 3 people checked it and the guy on the phone kept saying paper form. They also had my DL from the time I walked in the door to the time I was walked out with the gun. Something just doesn’t seem right is why I am so ticked.

 

[LiveLife]

Sent you a PM regarding the rest.

Your PM sure made me smile.

Life is good.

 

[jmorris]

Kind of hard when your on a 8x8 iPad that wants you to type one box and scroll to another box and so on. Yeah, I probably goofed up but what gets me is 3 people checked it and the guy on the phone kept saying paper form. They also had my DL from the time I walked in the door to the time I was walked out with the gun. Something just doesn’t seem right is why I am so ticked.

I understand that part 100%. The hassle, I believe, is fully intentional. They have more copies of my fingerprints than anyone could possibly need, yet the time must still be wasted.

Also understand having high expectations of people in general vs what I’m going to be getting from them. That’s just part of getting old.

 

[dogtown tom]

So you DID read your own links, but don't comprehend them? You're turning the text into something it is not. An accidental mispelling of a street name is NOT a willful violation.

I'm pretty sure I comprehend better than you.
Again, the OP misspelling his street name is not a "willful violation" for the reason I describe in post #35.
Again "willful violation" is a term the ATF uses when conducting a compliance inspection of an FFL.
Again, the violation by the OP is entering incorrect information.
Again, he certified under penalty of law that his answers are "true, correct and complete".
Again, by his own admission he misspelled his street name.

An intentional mispelling of a convicted felon's name and a wrong address so they can pass a background check IS a willful violation.

Yet ATF does not term that a willful violation....they call that a felony for lying on the Form 4473. ie signing the 4473 when you know the information in Section A is incorrect.

Do you see the difference?

Do you?
No, you don't.
I'll repeat, AGAIN, a "willful violation" is a term the ATF uses when conducting a compliance inspection of an FFL. That is for errors, mistakes or omissions by the FFL....not for violations by the buyer.

Did you read that "zero tolerance" from the Biden administration? It's pretty clear that it's not about shutting down FFL's who have occasional minor issues of mispellings. It's about catching those who are "willfully" putting down incorrect information to circumvent the laws.

Yet again, you are wrong.
1. Get your FFL.
2. Join one of the FFL forums restricted to FFL's.
3. Read the stories of revocation proceedings for errors, omissions and mistakes.
or you could read the stuff posted by Orchid.

 

[dogtown tom]

Kind of hard when your on a 8x8 iPad that wants you to type one box and scroll to another box and so on. Yeah, I probably goofed up but what gets me is 3 people checked it and the guy on the phone kept saying paper form. They also had my DL from the time I walked in the door to the time I was walked out with the gun. Something just doesn’t seem right is why I am so ticked.

It doesn't to me either.
ATF isn't going to hunt YOU down because you misspelled the name of your street. Period. They wont care in the least.
They sure as heck will note that the FFL failed to catch the difference between the spelling on your DL vs what you wrote on the tablet.......but only if the dealer points it out. ATF will have absolutely no clue as to whether the address you wrote is the one shown on your DL because ATF wont have a copy of your DL in front of them when they are inspecting the dealers books.

 

[230RN]

<Editorial>

Perceptive and enlightening answers to OP's question.

But all this just demonstrates that it all makes for additional "choke points" to discourage acquisition of firearms. The real root of the problem is with all the legislators who violated their oaths of office when voting "for" NFA 34 and GCA 68 et cetera ad infinitum.

I remember some wag a while ago remarking that buying a gun should be like buying a mattress. Ye pays yer money and ye takes 'er home.

Hyperbole, but we got along fine until the Valentine's Day massacre (it has been agreed) prompted NFA 34.

And if I may be allowed to smirk a bit, that massacre also eliminated six or seven criminals with little expense to the rest of us.

</Editorial>

Terry, 230RN

 

[stillquietvoice]

Gentle people of THR, this forum is supposed to be the "High Road", not a playground for pissing contest.


No one is perfect. We all make mistakes. (Believe me, I made plenty)

Life happens. But how we choose to respond, defines us.

Look at all of your life's detours and misadventures as "opportunities" to experience life and learn something. Consider the 3 hour drive an opportunity. Perhaps you can speak to the manager to work out something win-win ... Could he authorize a discount on something you need/want and he ends up with a happy customer? Could you make a "date trip" out of the 3 hour drive with your girlfriend and turn the trip into "special connection/bonding time"? Could you do something that's only available in that town? Perhaps a particular restaurant?

Since wife and I have a retirement PIF fund, how about this? I will PIF full cost of fuel for the 3 hour trip and even throw in a gift card for dinner for your "date trip" so the trip is transformed into a memorable event?

It would warm my heart for you to turn this "mess up" into something positive and I am sure your girlfriend will too.


Been there.

You work hard to just take care of yourself and others and more and more things keep happening. And then you end up with blood pressure of 210/100 and your doctor tells you if you don't change, a stroke is in the horizon ... I took a deep breath and changed some things in my life ... and slowed down ... and went shooting to punch holes on paper. Now my blood pressure is 148/80, still high but not "imminent stroke" high.

I know how it feels to be overworked and overstressed and things "messing up" doesn't help. Perhaps you are due for a little break from life's overstressed work life? Maybe?

Very generous of you, wish I could like this a few more times.

The opportunity to recheck that spelling disappeared when the buyer left with that ID. Now six days later they believe the address is misspelled? How do they

Most files in NY photocopy our dl to have on file with 4473 it's possible that the dealer did the same.

I was temporarily denied on one gun purchase due to ggl filing out online 4473 wrong, he refined using my paper form and was approved the same day took several hours and was given a box of cheap ammo for my trouble.

Told my boss the other day that the only people that don't make mistakes are the ones that font do anything, like a mechanic with brand new tools yhat never get dirty, or broken. Don't think he liked the part of the conversation that went when you are perfect you can cast yhe first stone.

 

[Remington1911]

I think a great deal of it is they don't want anything that will bring any kind of question. They being the folk selling the gun. I screwed up one, don't remember what, likely the boxes, I always screw those up, one of the advantages of being ADHD and Dyslexic, I don't read what is on the page I see what my eyes want to see, and that leads to a great many screw ups.

So I filled out another form, and the guy watched me close. They said they are really under a microscope now and don't want anything that could bring anything into question.

Any more then that and it will turn into a political thread and get locked.

 

[jar]

Mistakes happen. But when a mistake can be corrected with as little effort as some time and some gas then it's a very good mistake to correct. Once I'm informed of a mistake if I refuse to correct the mistake then that simply becomes another mistake but rather than accidental, it is a willful mistake.

Granted, the example in the OP is one that includes a whole host of mistakes but only one of those was the buyers responsibility and it is the only mistake the buyer has the opportunity to correct. I absolutely agree that it would annoy me to have to go back to fill out yet another form to correct the error and also that it was a trivial mistake that should have been caught immediately but having watched the checking process in several different establishments it runs from zero to masked overlays to make sure every box gets checked and every required section filled in.

It does not include proof reading or spell checking.

If this happened to me I would likely gripe and spit nails but would simply accept the cost and time involved to go back and fix-it. The biggest likely cost to me would be the fairly high probability of finding something else I just have to get while I'm there.

 

[dogtown tom]

....Most files in NY photocopy our dl to have on file with 4473 it's possible that the dealer did the same....

That's the only way I can think of that makes the OP's story possible.
And BTW, copying the buyers driver license or any other documents not required by ATF regs is flat stupid....and this thread shows why.
Most FFL's do not copy the buyers ID or DL. Its not required, wastes paper and first and foremost gives ATF a means to compare what the buyer wrote on the 4473 vs what is actually on the ID/DL. If they don't match, that's a willful violation on the dealer. No ID/DL copy attached to that 4473? ATF cant compare what isn't there.

The OP's dealer may learn the hard way that there is no benefit to copying and stapling the buyers ID/DL to the 4473.

 

[dogtown tom]

I think a great deal of it is they don't want anything that will bring any kind of question. They being the folk selling the gun. I screwed up one, don't remember what, likely the boxes, I always screw those up, one of the advantages of being ADHD and Dyslexic, I don't read what is on the page I see what my eyes want to see, and that leads to a great many screw ups.

My day job I'm an Adapted PE specialist (PE for students with a special education eligibility and have a gross motor delay) for a large school district. While few, if any, on my caseload are ADHD or Dyslexic, I've learned a bit about those through staff training over the years. My conservative estimate of customers who can complete the form perfectly is less than 25%. Yeah, one in four.........and they aren't ADHD or Dyslexic.
Failing to spell out their middle name.
Failing to include apartment #.
Writing "USA" where it asks for "County/Parish/Borough".
Leaving either 18a or 18b blank (single most common error despite me highlighting the instruction to answer both and having a sign on my table saying answer both )
Failing to provide an answer on 21.1.1
And answering 21.1.2 when the instructions clearly tell "U.S. citizens/nationals leave 21.1.2 blank"

So I filled out another form,

ATF warns dealers not to do this. Just correct the errors on the form and initial/date the corrections
The NSSF hold seminars at SHOT and 4473's are a topic every year:
https://www.nssf.org/retailers/compliance-hints-successfully-completing-atf-form-4473/

Q: The customer made a mistake while completing the form. Does the FFL holder have to start all over again?
A: No. Simply ask your customer to strike through the mistake with a single line; ask them to initial and date the strike-through and write in the correct information. Never use white out, correction ribbon, eraser, etc., when a mistake is made. Also, remember that such a correction is good only before the firearm has been transferred. If a mistake is being corrected after the firearm was transferred, you will need to make a photo-copy of the portion of the form that is being corrected, make the corrections the same way (strike-through, date, and initial by customer) and then attach the photocopy with its corrections to the original 4473.

and the guy watched me close. They said they are really under a microscope now and don't want anything that could bring anything into question.

He ain't lying.