James Fonteneaux
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A fine choice sir, it's also on my list.
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A fine choice sir, it's also on my list.
Lennyjoe
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I totally disagree. Anything else to add to the conversation? (Sorry, forgot this wasn’t Twitter)
James Fonteneaux
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I'd be interested in a poll of how many people remember who Don Johnson is and what show he was in. I get the reference.
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I love the response asking for clarification with nothing to back up your statement or disagreement. Your reply has no more substance than the pic I post which was a joke. Clearly your manhood can't handle a joke.
The reality is that shootability of the 10mm is an issue for a lot of shooters. Modern hollowpoints have advanced so much since the 80s, 90s and 2000s that the need for a caliber that beats up the shooter and the gun is unnecessary. I am not saying that the 10mm has no value but it offers no real world advantage over other rounds. 99% of its appeal is macho bull that has nothing to do with use.
Is that enough add to your silly conversation or should I go on to topics like cost to shoot and actually train with the round. Cost of initial ownership etc.....
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WVsig
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Exactly it was a joke but apparently bruised someone's man bits so they had to get sharky. Not really surprising. The irony of the response actually makes the reference funnier.
Also my joke post also spoke directly to the OP asking will his wife and kids feel a difference in the recoil.
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Like others, if it's a 1911 you want to stick with 45 acp .
There's a misconception about 10mm in my opinion, folks think it's some mythical hammer of thor that can do all things. The reality is that it simply shoots flatter and is likely to expand because it's moving faster. No magic, you pay for that . I'm a big 10mm guy, in my opinion it's the best semiauto pistol cartridge available . it's just more versatile , decent power if you choose or 40sw performance if that's all you need and the larger guns make shooting lighter loads very pleasant.
Just don't be under the impression that a 10mm will drop an angry predator like you're swatting a fly. In the end it may penetrate deeper then a 45 but it's smaller. The muzzle energy is somewhat irrelevant because you still need to hit the target, for me it's easier to hit at longer distances with a 10mm and it still has some zap downrange, it's an excellent cartridge.
I carry a 45acp for a lot of reasons I won't get into but if I'm camping or hiking I prefer the capacity and versatility of the 10mm. The truth is more gun never hurts but I don't think an animal exists that a 45acp is inadequate for but the 10mm does fine with, it's just a matter of capacity and trajectory .
45 is cheaper in all ways. 10mm is just less common. A proper revolver cartridge make both look anemic. for use on humans I doubt there's really any difference. On angry critters 10mm has the edge but it's not as much as its made out to be. I've been a 10mm convert since 2015 and won't be without one but 45s still have an advantage on 2 legged critters simply for less concussion and larger diameter. Either is superior to 9mm (not sorry) but neither can do what a big revolver does.
Clear as mud?
Ok good.
Get the 45 and then find a modern design in 10mm and use when appropriate.
There's a misconception about 10mm in my opinion, folks think it's some mythical hammer of thor that can do all things. The reality is that it simply shoots flatter and is likely to expand because it's moving faster. No magic, you pay for that . I'm a big 10mm guy, in my opinion it's the best semiauto pistol cartridge available . it's just more versatile , decent power if you choose or 40sw performance if that's all you need and the larger guns make shooting lighter loads very pleasant.
Just don't be under the impression that a 10mm will drop an angry predator like you're swatting a fly. In the end it may penetrate deeper then a 45 but it's smaller. The muzzle energy is somewhat irrelevant because you still need to hit the target, for me it's easier to hit at longer distances with a 10mm and it still has some zap downrange, it's an excellent cartridge.
I carry a 45acp for a lot of reasons I won't get into but if I'm camping or hiking I prefer the capacity and versatility of the 10mm. The truth is more gun never hurts but I don't think an animal exists that a 45acp is inadequate for but the 10mm does fine with, it's just a matter of capacity and trajectory .
45 is cheaper in all ways. 10mm is just less common. A proper revolver cartridge make both look anemic. for use on humans I doubt there's really any difference. On angry critters 10mm has the edge but it's not as much as its made out to be. I've been a 10mm convert since 2015 and won't be without one but 45s still have an advantage on 2 legged critters simply for less concussion and larger diameter. Either is superior to 9mm (not sorry) but neither can do what a big revolver does.
Clear as mud?
Ok good.
Get the 45 and then find a modern design in 10mm and use when appropriate.
FL-NC
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I don't care for 10mm because I don't need the extra power VS a 45, or the increased cost of ammo. I just don't think there's anything anywhere I go that can't be adequately addressed with a 45 ACP or smaller. My hunting sidearm is normally a G23 (40) or an old SA 1911 (45).
I got used to using a 10mm when I was issued an MP-5/10 for work. The 10mm in an MP-5 sub gun was wonderful. The 10mm is a good round, pretty much a .357 magnum equivalent in a semi-auto. Those who say it is a .41 magnum equivalent have had too much of the 10mm Koolaid. I like 10mm and have several, and I handload my ammo. I also have numerous .45 Auto handguns (1911 and revolver). Either will suit for self-defense if needed.
I find the 10mm to be a good round for carry while I am hunting...a heavy 200-210 grain bullet works well. I like both 1911 style autos and revolvers for the cartridge. My suggestion is to try them both and purchase whichever you shoot better and can afford. Here are two of my 10mm favorites; a Dan Wesson Razorback and a Ruger Vaquero:
I find the 10mm to be a good round for carry while I am hunting...a heavy 200-210 grain bullet works well. I like both 1911 style autos and revolvers for the cartridge. My suggestion is to try them both and purchase whichever you shoot better and can afford. Here are two of my 10mm favorites; a Dan Wesson Razorback and a Ruger Vaquero:
Like many others said, I'd start with a 1911 chambered in 45 ACP. They just go together like peanut butter and jelly.
When you are comfortable with the workings and assembly of a 1911, then branch out into other cartridges.
I do have a 10mm handgun, but it is a an S&W Model 610 revolver.
When you are comfortable with the workings and assembly of a 1911, then branch out into other cartridges.
I do have a 10mm handgun, but it is a an S&W Model 610 revolver.
Lennyjoe
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I had an opportunity several years ago to buy a 610 but passed. One decision I regret….
I sold off a SS BH in 10mm/40SW. I just couldn’t give up my 41mag BH for it. It just didn’t bring anything to the table that the 41mag didn’t have and would have never been able to out perform the 41mag.
But, I do wish I got a SW610 though. Those are nice! A great pistol for a good caliber. If they ever come out with a 3.5” version, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake!
BJung
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My brother owns a 10 Glock. When reloaded hot, it recoils like a full load .357 magnum or possibly a 44 magnum. You can hear the backside of an indoor range gong when you shoot it. Instead, my brother prefers to shoot .40s through it. I own a .45 Kimber. The groups are fair so far with my reloads cast SWC bullets but my Browning 40 will still outshoot it. If I'm worried about about self-defense, I'll load Gold Dots in it. Right now I'm testing cast hollow point bullets. Cast bullets can expand a lot. Look up Matt's Bullets. I think their .45 hollow point cast bullets expand to almost an inch.
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Anybody able to weigh in with specifics on the OP's follow-up question on the difference between $800 and $1500 guns.
I am of the opinion that you can do well around or under 1000, but I may be behind the market. $1500 may get you a few more features and refinements, but it would still be the same gun as the cheaper Springfields or Rugers. Something really special will cost more. Correct me if I am wrong.
And for the record, I am notoriously cheap and have been happy with Springfield mil-specs, Rock Islands and ATIs--though if someone offered me a $1500 or $3000 gun in trade, I wouldn't decline.
I am of the opinion that you can do well around or under 1000, but I may be behind the market. $1500 may get you a few more features and refinements, but it would still be the same gun as the cheaper Springfields or Rugers. Something really special will cost more. Correct me if I am wrong.
And for the record, I am notoriously cheap and have been happy with Springfield mil-specs, Rock Islands and ATIs--though if someone offered me a $1500 or $3000 gun in trade, I wouldn't decline.
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When you move above $1500 you get better parts, better construction and better fit. Only the buyer can determine if it is worth it. Sub $1000 1911s are built on the Pinto principle and are designed to meet a price point and they cut whatever corners are needed to meet that price point. The biggest part is manufacturing them somewhere where labor is cheap and using cheap parts.
Also in the grand scheme of things sub $1000 and $1500 1911s are still production 1911s and are still considered the lower tier by most dedicated 1911 shooters.
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bangswitch
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10mm in a 1911 is a snappier recoil, but not really heavier, than a .45. Carrying a 10mm vs. a .45 in a 1911is about like carrying a .357 Magnum vs. a .38Spl with +P loads in a revolver. I have full size 1911's in .38 Super, 10mm and .45 Auto, and they all have something to offer, but not the same thing. If I were going into the back country and planned on taking a 1911, I'd want the 10mm, hands down. For most other uses, the .45 is just fine; for superior accuracy and a milder recoil, I like the Super. However, I like the smaller 1911's (Commander/Officer) for carry purposes, just easier to conceal. My choice there is a Commander in .40S&W (specifically in my case, an EMP4)
bangswitch
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Now you done it, posting a MV video. I'll be on youtube all night watching more of them. Not a cop show since has been able to match it.
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Of those two I think the .45 makes more since, I don't think the 1911 is the best platform for the 10mm from personal experience. Even when considering other platforms, to me 10mm is really just a way to rid yourself of more money because I'm firmly under the belief that it won't do anything any better than a .45 or even a .40. To me if it's a semi auto, make it a .40 or .45 and if you want (well really "need") more power, just carry a .44 Mag. I don't have any problems with the 10mm but it appears a lot of people really play up the 10mm to levels that aren't exactly realistic...in other words they've bought into the marketing hype.
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Top one is a .45. I hardly ever shoot it.
Bottom one is a 10mm that puts smiles on faces with proper loads.
Bottom one is a 10mm that puts smiles on faces with proper loads.
Lennyjoe
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Didn’t bruise man bits at all. Just wondered if you had anything with substance to add to the OP’s request. I’m guessing you didn’t so carry on…
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Not to mention over-penetration and muzzle flash. For home & farm defense I prefer a 12 gauge .
jag1954
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I have a SA Ronin in 10mm and it's a fine shooter, no issues whatsoever.
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Outside of the 1911, there's little gain to using a .45 over a 10mm. The only other higher capacity .45's I know of are Glock, Springfield, and FN FNX, besides them there is a significant reduction in capacity with .45 over 10mm.
We're told that velocity and thus energy doesn't mean anything and I don't believe that to be true, 10mm is more combat capable, it's going to defeat barriers better than .45 will, it's going to have better range, it's going to be more effective at longer range. If .45 was so great, why is it so many police and the entire non Spec Ops of the US military have gone to 9mm?
The real problem 10mm has had for a long time is lack of variety in pistols in the caliber. That's slowly changing as ammo has become more available and more people are willing to buy 10mm.
Not gonna say I have zero use for a .45, I like it for inside the home because it's not a good hard barrier penetrator, but it's not the end all, be all of a bigger than 9mm bore handgun caliber and nothing else need not apply.
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