10mm vs 45acp

[Harley Quinn]

Here is some more information.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/10mm.htm

Bottom line is get the Glock 30 and you have the advantage of getting a 10mm barrel at a later date and can shoot both if you want to

 

[Rodd]

Other Pistol Options

I'm a newbie here, but have read all the posts on .45 vs 10 mm topic. As an old retired Marine I have a soft spot for .45 ACP in 1911, but my needs in a handgun have changed significantly since active duty days. .45 ACP is an excellent close combat cartridge, but not much as a hunting round. It will kill whitetails (I've done it), but you need to be pretty close in order to ensure an exit wound (important for tracking 'cause deer rarely drop instantly unless spine or brain is hit). The 10 mm is a good deer killer (west Texas whitetails average around 100 lbs), and penetration is usually through and through on any side shot (WW 175 gr Silvertip). As noted by others, 10 mm is a flatter shooting round as well. I shoot a Smith & Wesson 1066, which has been modified by adding spurred hammer and adjustable rear sight. This is a well made, durable pistol. I've been shooting mine for several years and it is quite accurate (2" groups at 25 yards Weaver stance) and reliable--mine has never had a stoppage. I now shoot the Winchester 175 gr load exclusively, but have used different loads from other makers with success. This pistol goes with me anytime I head for the desert or make any long trips. It will take whitetails out to 80 yards easily, and similar-sized "targets" out to 100 yards or a bit more. I don't carry this pistol concealed very much--too big. My favorite concealed carry pistol is a Kahr K-40. The 10 mm is a very good, all around auto-pistol cartridge that is much underrated by the shooting press generally. People who need magnum handgun power in a semi-auto package will choose a 10 mm. The S&W I use is just one of several models produced by the company in years past, and many are still available on the used gun market for reasonable prices. I'm sorry, but I don't like plastic guns.

 

[Richard]

"Bottom line is get the Glock 30 and you have the advantage of getting a 10mm barrel at a later date and can shoot both if you want to"

Harley Quinn, I think I said that in my first response to this post: "..my advice is buy the G30 and then purchase a 10mm barrel and magazines.." Regards, Richard

 

[DawgFvr]

The Tourist: What an excellent post...thanx! That just about says it all. Think I'll just stay with the .45 ACP.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Richard, Yep you are correct

I have a MDL 21 doing the same thing for quite some time

I did get this upgrade to assist in extraction
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq3.html

Regards

 

[The Tourist]

hunting...kill whitetails...(WW 175 gr Silvertip)

This brings up a very crucial aspect of this debate.

The 175 grain cartridge you mention is a reload.

By the time the cartridge and pistol came out into general use, it was very clear that the 200 grain (original load) and a Bren Ten hadn't sparked enough interest to keep the company afloat. In fact, by that time I was having a hard time finding brass.

When the Colt Delta Elite came out, you were actually looking at the cartridge as the "second wind." In fact, many wondered if the Colt was going to "hold together" with any load near the first Norma offering.

But like we learned from the .41 Magnum before, it's hard to find home when you go up against established big boys. Frankly, any 10mm loading was never going to overtake the police and military market.

In a very real sense, the 175 grain SilverTip (to my way of thinking the best commercial load made for the 10mm) was a reload to make the 10mm marketable. What it lacked for police and the military it would capture as a hunting load.

It didn't happen, and the 10mm has been the redheaded stepchild ever since.

It does shine as a reload because a reloader can always make the perfect round for himself, as he always did. And it will always have it's followers, just as folks like the .41 Mag, the .44 SPL and the Rowland. In truth, I think the 10mm has hit its hay-day, and that comes from a guy who loves the cartridge.

 

[Harley Quinn]

The Tourist,
Back in 86 or so a friend of mine bought a Bren Ten. They sent it to him without the mags. No mags were available, and it took some time before he got them as I remember. Did you experience anything like that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornaus_&_Dixon

I did find this article that confirms it was a biggie about that time.

Regards.

 

[The Tourist]

Bren Ten...without the mags

No, not in my case. In fact, I got the oposite treatment.

As a list, Harlene sent me two magazines, and extra set of grips, extra screws, a spare firing pin and spring, and extra owners manuals (I still have one of them).

A few years later, Terry Tussey found a few slide stop levers and safety levers in his shop because he had done some fitting and hard-chroming for the project.

If any piece scared me, it was the cross-bolt safety. I had heard an urban legend that several cracked. I could never get one.

After Mr. Dornaus rebuilt my pistol, it hummed like a sewing machine.

 

[jfh]

I still have a box or two of the original Norma loads, and I fired a few last summer, testing an EAA 10mm switch top I bought for the large frame I have.

Those are awesome loads. But, like The Tourist, I usually load down. About 5.2 gr. of 231 under a 180TMJ buzzes along about 1000 fps, IIRC, and in my Kimber ST II 10mm that load is 2" accurate at 50 yards.

I'm not a hunter--I just like the 10s, and its pistols, for the sheer delight in having a modern, flat-shooting cartridge.

Jim H.

 

[makarovnik]

How about a .38super on a 1911 commander platform?

 

[Northalius]

Dawg, the Glock 29 is a compact size (roughly same size as Glock 30 in .45 ACP). Check it out!

Tourist, have you read up on DoubleTap ammunition yet?

Has anyone else looked into "Dead Bang" recoil reduction system? I read on their site it costs $85, and has a lifetime moneyback guarantee! I'm definitely going to try it.

The maker said you've got to fire rapidly to see the real affect of the system, not much so when firing slow. Check it out, too!

 

[varoadking]

(My Bren Ten was number 313. I got personal help most didn't, and due to some breakage, my model was disassembled and hand-built.)

Isn't every firearm handbuilt?

 

[Car Knocker]

There's a big difference between "handbuilt" and "assembled".

 

[kgpcr]

Personaly if my .40 or .45 wont stop them i dont think the 10mm will either. Ammo is so much easier to find for the .40 and .45

 

[mavracer]

Ammo is so much easier to find for the .40 and .45

don't know about that I looked around here and found 1000+ 10mm and couldn't find any 40

 

[The Tourist]

There's a big difference between "handbuilt" and "assembled".

Yes there is. In my case a dramatic difference.

By the time I got my pistol, some negative press was already being printed. In fact, Chuck Taylor wrote an article that particularly bothered D&D.

Just as this happened, I went to the range, fired a few shots, and the slide came back and sheared off the rowel on the hammer. The shard was sent it flying backward leaving a slight paper-cut on my left cheek.

It was no big deal, I had on shooting glasses, and I notified Harlene immediately. As you can guess, Mr. Dornaus wanted the pistol back and he stripped it down to the lockwashers.

When I got the pistol back it was a whole new firearm. It always had been smooth, but now it was eerily silky. With garden variety handloads I was whacking golf balls at +/-80 yards.

My Bren Ten never failed to feed, fire or eject, ever, ever, ever.

Tourist, have you read up on DoubleTap ammunition yet?

No, sir, I have not.