45acp

[Puppy]

9mmLuger,

First off welcome to THR's forums.

Second, my personal experience with the 1911 platform & the .45 ACP cartridge dates back to the late 1970's.

Granted I have had "affairs" with other calibers in other handgun platforms but none of them have had the longetivity or intensity of my love affair with 1911's & the .45 ACP cartridge.

It has nothing to do with historical nostalgia or ME/MV numbers, it has to do with the way they feel in my hand, the natural instictiveness of the balance & pointability, the short, crisp, single action trigger, the mild recoil, the superb accuracy & even the rock solid reliability that so many on internet forums seem to enjoy bemoaning & berating.

Dont like 1911's or the .45ACP cartridge? that's cool dont spend your money on them.

But dont try to convience me that my 30 someodd years of my own personal experience with them is somehow misguided or wrong.

 

[MCgunner]

Well, opinions are like.....well, everybody's got one.

.45s have advantages over 9, though I do carry a 9. For one, they're very easy to reload and make accurate with cast bullets. I can load a box of .45 for under 3 bucks with range scrap bullets and put 'em into under 2" at 25 yards. I've yet to find ANYthing in 9mm that will shoot much better than 2.5". Might be the gun, but I've seen this in a number of 9s. 9mm just doesn't seem as inherently accurate and is not as easy to work with using cast bullets in my experience.

.45 can make more power in the +P versions. You can find factory loads that put up around 550 ft lbs. This borders on useful as an outdoor round, black bears and the like defense. I'd rather have a .357 or a .41 or a 10 or better, frankly, but wouldn't feel too under-armed in the field with my .45. I certainly WOULD feel too lightly armed with a 9mm, be like stuffin' .38s in my .357 wheel gun except that the .38s are accurate enough for small game and I've yet to shoot the 9mm that is as accurate as a .38. .38s are also very easy to handload for with lead bullets, wadcutters and 158 grain SWCs being my favorites. But, the .45 can be both more accurate and more powerful than the 9mm, mine is.

I don't know if I've ever heard anyone suggest that the .45's design causes poor feeding. It's designed for SA pistols. My Ruger feeds 100 percent all the time. 1911s can be finicky, but so can many 9mm designs.

Kinda dumb answering a post like this with logic, but hey, that's the way I operate.

 

[Michigunner]

I would like to read the first post, but will wait until it is split into paragraphs.

 

[robertbank]

Well I guess I fall on the side of "who cares".

The .45ACP is very easy to reload, operates at very low pressures, handles lead well and the 1911 in all it's variations provides something for everybody and a solution for most objectives. Bullseye, Action Games, self defense.

The 9MM operates at high pressure, most guns have a twist rate that is far to fast to offer anything more than combat accuracy with lead boolits unfortunately, and guns are made for virtually any problem you might think requires an answer using a firearm.

Both are great cartridges, have been around since Christ made water and will be for a very long time going forward with or without my opinion.

Take Care

ps Welcome to the Forum

 

[rchernandez]

I just like the bigger holes a .45acp makes!




...especially the LSWC's I shoot in BE.

 

[Dobe]

I have found those most adamant against something generally desire it the most. Perhaps he will be a convert and even an advocate someday.

Dobe

 

[Dreamer]

Has to be a "Troll," who flunked high school English.

I've been shooting, carrying 1911 Colt 45's for over fifty years and never had to shoot a shovel.

 

[Dain Bramage]

Seems our friend has more hots for the .40 S&W than the 9x19 mm. S'gonna have to change his screen name.

Me, I'm going to change my handle to ".445Luvr". I will post on every board I can that all other rounds are crap. Follow me true believers!

Our mottoes will be "Our niche may be small, but our guns are not" and "Dan is our only Wesson".

Oh, also: "Supermag=Superlove".

 

[Slinger]

Scrolling,scrolling,scrolling,down the threads

and what to my wondering eyes should appear but a thread titled 45acp! Now theres something that looks interesting. But wait! It was posted by a guy with the screen name 9mmluger! Oh now heres something you hardly ever see, a thread comparing the obvious benefits of one particular round over another based on absolutely no fact or science. I simply must join in the fun!

Click! Here I am! Wow! Lots of others took the bait too! Oh what a frolicing good time we all must be having!

Now is the time when I inject my worthless bit of information...

MY PISTOL PUNCHES BIGGER HOLES THAN YOURS DOES!! (this is a fact, not an opionion)

 

[Dain Bramage]

Got .445?

MY PISTOL PUNCHES BIGGER HOLES THAN YOURS DOES!!

Slinger,

But are your shovels quivering in fear?

 

[orionengnr]

do you shoot a shovel COM...

or Mozambique, or do you go for the brain stem (where the handle meets the blade) and try for a One-Shot Stop?

Do you need 12-18" penetration to kill a shovel that is only 1/8" thick?

What does Fackler say is the best round for shooting shovels?

I just took a walk out to the garage with my Kimber loaded up with Ranger Talon SXT 230+p and both my shovels are quaking in fear! Not only that, but the rakes too! How do I get them to calm down? Don't think I'll be able to sleep through all the clatter...

Damn this thread...

 

[C-grunt]

THE SHOVEL TEST

The .45 might not penetrate
The 9mm might put nice clean holes in it
But my .40 vaporizes it

 

[MCgunner]

Cheap body armor, a spade with the handle cut off under the coat. Nice...

 

[Pistol Toter]

I will freely admit that I am not an expert and by any stretch of imagination would I portray myself to be. I do not own but one pistol that employees the .45 acp and by some folks standards here I would be shuned by my choice. My .45 is a GLOCK 21 and while I haven't expended gazillions of rounds through it, it has been fired with ample rounds to determine its merits and attributes. My little piece of plastic junk has operated absolutely flawlessly. It is, I believe quite accurate in that at 20 yds (60 feet) I have no problem with placing all rounds in 3" circle at a fairly rapid rate. I have no problem with loading the magizines without the use of the supplied loading device.
Now with that covered, I shudder at the number of persons who have perished after being wounded by this round. Surely, there were countless Japaneese, Germans, and their allies during two great wars not to mention Korea and Vietnam. This chambering has proven itself to be of great effectivness.
For me, the .357 mag and .45 acp are my choice of self defense calibers; others will do just as well. I can not imagine that I will every need to shoot it beyond distances of 20 to 30 feet and pray to God above that I never am required to fire on another human being. However, I am positive that either one would do the job very very well. I do not antisapate needing to shoot an automobile so I'm not real concerned about barier penetration unless it would be over penetration of the exterior wall of a house or again God forbid a human being.
To fire upon the curved surface of a piece of steel is absolutly mind boggleing. The possibilities of a projectile striking such a surface to glance of into some tangent direction are infinite and might come right back at you. Whew! I just can not imagine that, but to each his own.
For me I am quite content with the .45 acp, it is tried and proven.

 

[gunguy05]

I think that it is interesting that the first post by 9mmLuger was also the last...

 

[jerkyman45]

An army of shovels came to my house last night and started banging on my garage door, so I came outside with my 1911 and shot at them but OH NO the rounds didn't penetrate!!! whatever will I do, this is only a round that has proven its power and reliability for coming on a century, but it is powerless against this shovel foe!

 

[nitesite]

Whew! I'm glad I bought a 10mm G29 the same week I bought an XD-45! I came so close to being undergunned....

 

[ACP230]

I own and shoot both .45ACP and 9mm pistols. I am very fond of my custom .45 "Pin Gun," and other .45s. I am also very happy with my two 9mm BHPs.

I much prefer to reload the .45 round. I have yet to find an accuracy load for the 9mm despite some effort spent trying. I have gone back to shooting bulk ball 9mm ammo.

The .45 also works better on steel plates and bowling pins, two things I used to shoot a lot.

Yesterday I carried an Officer's ACP .45 with ball ammo, and a Smith 649 .38 Special loaded with Cor-Bon DPX. I felt confident in either gun and would have drawn whatever one was easiest to get to, if necessary.

Because it's cheap right now the 9mm is my most favored ammo for subguns.

 

[33-805]

Shovels?

I am glad that someone has finally addressed my innermost fear. I have always had a strong phobia about garden shovels. Hitherto, I have simply cut them up with a torch or buried them deeply with much arcane ritual (necessary to prevent them digging themselves out). I have also blown some up but that's another story. I had never thought of shooting the filthy things until this thread!! Many thanks to all. The only caliber that I feel I can comfortably rely on for this task is the 50 bmg. I am purchasing a Barrett M107 CQB for this purpose now.

I believe that I can now sleep nights, provided my aluminum foil hat doesn't slip off and let the shovels into my dreams......

I also need to say (I apologize in advance ); If all shovel owners had their shovels "spayed", this would not be a problem at all....

 

[Johnny Guest]

Anyone notice?

I mean, the fact that the guy posted one provocative entry and has not been seen again. 42 replies, and people are talking to themselves, and to a lesser extent, to one another.

Oh, yeah, he has exactly ONE other post on THR, made on the same day.

Our work here is done.

Johnny