45GAP

[guidosarducci]

Does anyone have a pistol in 45GAP, and what do you think of it? I know Glock makes one, and Springfield makes one in the XD, are there any others? I'd like a stainless model if available. Thanks for any information on the performance of the 45GAP and any available models.

 

[.40-.45]

can you say 10mm

buy 45 acp cheap to shoot AND BUY IT ANYWHERE

 

[imas]

Glocks 45 frame is a bit large for my taste so I've considered picking up a G37.

 

['Card]

The entire XD series are truly outstanding weapons. I'm in love with mine and could honestly recommend them without hesitation.

But... why would you consider buying an XD in .45GAP when Springfield has recently released this excellent handgun in .45ACP? I mean... when someone says ".45ACP" that's pretty much the end of the conversation, you know?

 

[MachIVshooter]

The grip circumference of the .45 ACP XD is very close to that of a .45 GAP Glock. The grip of a Glock 21 compares well with a Desert Eagle, only less comfortable.

Honestly, the only reason for the GAP is Glock Arrogance; rather than do a little engineering and slim down their excessively large grips, they made a shorter cartridge. They were loosing sales to firms that produced reasonably-sized double column .45 ACP handguns. Originally, they planned to build a .45 that would mirror their 9mm/.40 cal pistols but they had to beef up the slide to accommodate the heavier recoil, thus making a gun that falls in the middle for size and weight (and is heavier and thicker still than many polymer .45 ACP's)

Honestly, I would be concerned with the longevity of the new GAP Glocks. There have been enough KB's in G21's with standard pressure .45 ACP; the GAP operates at +P levels.

The GAP will compare favorably to standard pressure .45 ACP, but +P .45 ACP leaves the GAP in the dust by a wide margin (think 40% more power).

I would bet on Springfield dropping the GAP from it's XD lineup in the next year or two. Not a chart topper.

So unless you are absolutely sold on a Glock and the G21/G30 are too large for your hands, I think you would be much better served by a .45 ACP pistol.

 

[engineer151515]

There have been enough KB's in G21's with standard pressure .45 ACP; the GAP operates at +P levels.

+P levels with beefier brass. Smaller primers. 45GAP is a good reloader round. Other than that, I would pretty much agree with MachIVshooter.

That said - I sure like my Glock 37.

 

[Shootcraps]

I asked my gun store guys how sales of 45GAP is going.


They just smile and shake their head.


It's sort of a round that's looking for a job, but they've all been filled by more qualified applicants.

 

[RFM]

.45 GAP operates at higher pressures than standard .45 ACP.
.45 GAP and .45 ACP +P have similar pressure ratings.
.45 GAP will allow smaller, thinner grips.

I went with the .45 ACP, because I can shoot .45 ACP, .45 GAP,
.45 ACP +P and .45 Super all in the same gun. I've done this
with my Taurus and it performed flawlessly. Even though I did
this solely out of curiosity, I wouldn't recommend doing this
with any regularity, especially with the .45 Super loads. Those
mothers will pound your gun into an early demise, unless you
go about upgrading the recoil springs and such.

 

[glocker1911]

The fact that you would shoot 45Gap and 45Super out of a 45acp Taurus tells me everything I want to know about listening to your firearams reccomendations. The Gap is a very good round, but yes, it will probably fade away to "obscure" status now that Springer has their XD model in 45acp with a very small grip. And yes, instead of the Gap, Glock should have made the full size single stack 45acp model people keep "asking" for.

 

[XDKingslayer]

I have a .45 GAP XD and I love it. I haven't had a more accurate out of the box shooter than it.

As far as the GAP round going to the grave...Gun guys are notoriously bad with change. Everyone laughed at the Glock "plastic pistol" and now almost every major gun company makes polymer pistols. There are at least three companies making GAP chambered pistols. Glock, SA, and I can't remember the third. Sorry, brainfart.

Many rounds have come down the pike and have been laughed at. .357 Sig, 5.7mm, 10mm, .17, you name it. Someone, somewhere even laughed at .45 ACP when it was first invented. They are all still around contrary to everyone's predictions. I don't think the GAP is any different. If the 10mm is still around, the GAP isn't going anywhere.

People say it's hard to find. I have no problem finding it. If your local guy doesn't carry it, ask him, he'll probably order and stock it for you. People say it's expensive, I have yet to see it priced more than .45 ACP. It's a good performing round. It's thicker case webbing will show it's worth when people start reloading them more.

While it was essentially a stepping stone caliber to get these polymer pistols to .45 ACP, it's not going anywhere soon.

 

[osteodoc08]

The 45GAP was just that, it filled the GAP when the XD-45 was not out yet.j/k I expect the cartridge to not be around a long time. I'm sure it will have its cult following, but not as big as say the 10mm or the 41Mag.

 

[XDKingslayer]

I wholeheartedly agree that the XD-45 makes the XD-45GAP obsolete. Why carry 10 GAP when you can carry 14 ACP? Would I have bought the GAP if the ACP was available? Probably not.

But then again, I got my GAP 2 weeks before the ACP was released...Am I kicking myself? A little, but not that much.

The nice thing about it is I can kick the crap out of this gun and not care the least bit. I mean...it's a GAP. If I break it, destroy it, or drop it in the ocean, I have an excuse to go get a new ACP, so it really does have it's place.

 

[Croyance]

guido, Sprinfield also makes one in a 1911 Officer's size, the Defender.

 

[Shootcraps]

Heard from someone who was at the Shot Show that the Defender is postponed indefinitely.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Many rounds have come down the pike and have been laughed at. .357 Sig, 5.7mm, 10mm, .17, you name it. Someone, somewhere even laughed at .45 ACP when it was first invented. They are all still around contrary to everyone's predictions. I don't think the GAP is any different. If the 10mm is still around, the GAP isn't going anywhere.

All of the rounds you've offered up as examples have attributes that make them unique. The GAP does not. While I am not sure why you've included the .17 (of which there are 3 commercial cartridges) in this handgun cartridge argument, the others have obvious benefits. The 5.7, while somewhat anemic in energy, is designed for penetration and exceeds all other handgun rounds in this respect. The .357 Sig offers a substantial ballistic increase over the .40 S&W in the same model firearms. The 10mm offers top .357 magnum ballistics in a conventioally sized autoloader. The .45 gap..............?. Glock seems to be the only pistol maker that thinks a double column .45 ACP requires an 8 inch grip circumference. There are double column .45 auto's that have smaller grips than a G17.

 

[varoadking]

.45 GAP is dead as a doornail...it just doesn't know it yet...

 

[Ash]

How about .41AE, .38ACP (not super), 9mm Steyr, 9mm Mauser, 9mm Glisenti, 8mm Nambu, 7.62 Longe, .45 Webley Automatic, .38 Colt?

.45GAP, latest to join the obsolete crowd. 50 years from now, it will only be made by Fiocci.

The .41AE was a great idea that wasn't just real reliable because of the rebated rim. It was replaced by the .40S&W and its standard rim (I know, the .40 is evolved from the 10mm, but the 40 is what eclipsed the AE).

Ash

 

[roo_ster]

45GAP, latest to join the obsolete crowd. 50 years from now, it will only be made by Fiocci.

Ouch! You really know how to hurt a cartridge's feelings.

 

[Shootcraps]

50 years from now, it will only be made by Fiocci.

And that's probably being very generous.

 

[paul45]

The fact that you would shoot 45Gap and 45Super out of a 45acp Taurus tells me everything I want to know about listening to your firearams reccomendations.

....That is just plain idiotic...you are putting yourself and others in danger....:banghead: