Honest answer from .45gap haters please

[Archangel]

The GAP does fill a very small niche, that being .45 ballistics out of a 9/40 sized frame.

But it is in no way better than the ACP. True, it can match .45 ACP ballistics, but at the cost of higher pressure, less margin for error / safety, more potential pressure problems related to bullet setback, and shorter brass life. It's being pushed to its limits to get those ballistics.

.45 ACP gives those ballistics easily, without pushing the cartridge to it's limits. If you want to push it some, and go to +P levels, then the ACP easily beats the GAP.

 

[Johnny Guest]

Lots of "Hate" threads going around recently.

"Hate" is a very strong emotion. I think the word should be reserved for a far more intense feeling than mere disdain or a general dislike.

Which being said, I have no particular use for the .45 GAP. I've only fired GAP plistols a couple of times, and I haven't seen anything that makes me want to drop the .45 ACP. In general, the shorter and fatter the round becomes, the more potential there is for problems in cartridge release from magazine on the way to the chamber. The shorter cartridges DO usually work well, but I wont seek out the problems.

I may just be an old reactionary, but I never went over to double stack .45 ACP magazines, either. A seven- or eight-round mag in a .45 caliber pistol suits me well enough. I like the double stack in a 9mm service pistol. My 9 mm Hi Power suits me fine, and I even like a Glock 19 pretty well. The Glock .40s are okay, and I even have a .40 BJHP stuck back in my safe. I thought the latter would be the greatest thing going, but I find myself preferring the 9mm on the occasions I'm willing to drop down from a .45. All in all, my .45 ACP Commander fulfills my needs as to compactness and weight and I see no need to change cartridges.

But I don't HATE Glocks in general nor the .45 GAP in particular.

Just a mellow, easy-going, surly old curmudgeon.
Johnny

 

[Krag]

boofus - with that type of logic we ought to be issuing our troops the .79 caliber Brown Bess musket!

Now there was a real "killing machine" that won wars all over the world for more then a century.

 

[Master Blaster]

Well geeeeeeeeeeeee WHIZZZZZZZZ, a new cartridge named after gloooooooouuuuk. I guess I will throw out all my 6000 pieces of cleaned .45ACP brass, My .45 ACP dies, My 7 1911 style pistols, and runn out and get my self a .45 gap glock insteeeeeaaad. CAUSIN its soooooooo coooooool, and beside Gaston said to.



And Then I'll try to shoot bullseye with my new Gappper after I have a custom smith build it into a bullseye gun.And the improvement will be what for all this trouble and expense??????????

Or I could just stick with what I know love and already own



And thats probably why not too many folks are all that enthused.

 

[c_yeager]

I'd like to post some more positive reasons, coming from someone who actuall owns and shoots one, but as it turns out, I guess I'm a moron who only owns a dreaded Glock because I don't know any better and only own a gap because I never heard of this new fangled 40 s&w thing. Enjoy yourself guys. Hey, when you're done kicking this caliber thing around, did you hear pop comes in aluminum cans now? Let's hear it for steel cans, this aluminum thing has no point.

So your personally offended that people don't like this cartridge that you like?

 

[Bobby Lee]

.45acp has ~100 years of proven performance as many dead Japanese, Germans, Vietnamese, Italians, islamofacists can attest.

But do you assume that if the .45GAP had been the caliber of choice back then that the same number of people would not be dead?

This is the old BS thing I hear from the 1911 guys. They claim the 1911 is the best combat pistol ever made because of all of the dead Japanese, Germans, Vietnamese, Italians, islamofacists but apparenty that can't understand that the same number of these Japanese, Germans, Vietnamese, Italians, islamofacists would be just as dead if our service pistol of that time was a Sig 220 or a Glock 21 or possibly even a CZ 52.

British long bow shooters put thousands of people in the graveyard long before firearms were invented. Does that make the long bow a better choice than a M-16?

As far as the .45 GAP round guns for it can be built smaller than .45acp guns and still have the same performance so I don't see any problem or any reason to hate the round.

 

[Bobby Lee]

boofus - with that type of logic we ought to be issuing our troops the .79 caliber Brown Bess musket!

The flintlock lasted for over 200 years before the cap lock replaced it. Still a lot of flintlock owners just flat out refused to convert over to the cap lock.

They said that if God wanted them to shoot a cap lock he would have lined the river banks with caps instead of pieces of flint.

These guys were killed in the rain by someone with a cap lock because their flinters would not fire in the rain.

 

[Master Blaster]

As far as the .45 GAP round guns for it can be built smaller than .45acp guns and still have the same performance so I don't see any problem or any reason to hate the round.

The round is what 1/16" or 1/8" shorter than a standard .45??

There are already some pretty small .45 acp guns, now granted you may be able to get another 1 or two rounds in the gap gun of the same size, but quite frankly the size and shape of a standard 1911 suits me fine, an officers ACP or a glock g-36 or G-30 is as small of a 1911/ .45 as I would want to own or shoot. The GAP may be just as good as the ACP, but I sure dont see any reason to run out and buy one since it wont do anything I want to do that my govt model or officers .45 doesnt already do. Besides the range brass I buy for $20 a box will have these annoying gap cases in them along with a few .40 cases that I now have to throw away. If you like it buy one, thats what makes america so great, choices. Maybe the gap will catch on in Europe and supplant the 9mm.

 

[Zach S]

I dont hate it, I just have no interest in it. Not to mention I kinda like going to wal-mart and being able to buy 500 rounds of .45.

 

[Brian Williams]

For me, it is to bad there is not a yawning smiley

 

[denfoote]

I don't hate the GAP round.
I just don't see the need for it!!
My G36 does everything I need it to do!!!!!

 

[JMag]

I'll be brief. I'm not a GAP hater but I maintain the GAP is yet another compromise round. Compromise for those with small hands.

I'm betting it will never approach the popularity and availability of the ACP as it is a compromise round. We have plenty of those already do we not?

 

[denfoote]

Compromise for those with small hands.

I don't see why??
Like I said. I have small hands and my G36 does everything I need it to do!!

 

[Noloyaltytocaliber]

But the G36 sure the heck isn't for everyone, it even feels weird in the hand... It wasn't for me and I sold it and bought a G30 instead which fit me good, but still not great like the full size and compact 9/40/357/45gap frame. I guess that's why I have a G37 now and a G38 in the future

 

[denfoote]

I'm gunna take a hard look at the G39 when it finally comes out.
That, I think, is the GAP's logical niche.

 

[ElrodCod]

IMO the .45 GAP is a solution in search of a problem and purchasers of firearms in this caliber have been sucessfully advertised to. It's not limited to pistols either....just how many super duper really really extra short magnum rifle cartridges does the consumer need? The power spectrum was fully covered in both pistol and rifle cartridges quite awhile ago. It's all about marketing; i.e.; convincing the consumer that he (or she) needs the lastest _________. Fill in the blank yourself.

 

[DarkKnight01]

Im kinda neutral on the whole .45gap thing, If it catches on and it works for some folks great, if not oh well, theyll have to go back to a 9mm or a .40

Personally I carry a PT-145 smallest .45 ACP ive ever seen.... thats why I picked it... very accurate very reliable and recoil is nice and smooth. And as far as capacity it holds 10... the 9mm in similar platform which is very close to the same size holds 12.. ill give up 2 rounds for my beloved .45 acp round

.45 gap is still in its fetal stage... itll be interesting to see what happens and where it goes...

thats my 0.2$

 

[Johnny Guest]

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