barnbwt
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I know a lot of MP5s were replaced by UMPs, and after what appear to be pretty widely disfavorable reviews compared to the predecessor, they were replaced with...M4s. Not the MP5s that were both beloved and had served valiantly for decades. Other municipalities went directly from MP5s to M4s. Some, like my muni, got P90's as (I believe) their first select fire carbines, and after using the heck out of them for (I think) about ten years with enough success to warrant using them for ten years, then discovered they could essentially sell their fairly worn guns to other departments or as parts kits for about as much as a new, much more powerful M4 costs.
The M4 has universally dominated all subgun usage in the last five years, because it was truly something of a game-changer in the service rifle role. Nothing prior had been able to deliver that kind of power in a small package to patrol officers (outside of shorty AKs, at least). Me? I think at least some portion will eventually go back to various subguns when M4s are old-hat in another five or ten years and a new kid is on the block, just as has happened since, what, the mini-14? Probably MPXs or the new B&T carbine, since they appear to be the new hotness.
"Give the choice I'd rather have a carbine over a PDW."
And this tells me everything I need to know about your unrealistic expectations of the 5.7x28 (no insult intended, they're the same unrealistic expectations of every procurement officer who bought P90's when the job called for something with 3X the velocity behind it)
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The M4 has universally dominated all subgun usage in the last five years, because it was truly something of a game-changer in the service rifle role. Nothing prior had been able to deliver that kind of power in a small package to patrol officers (outside of shorty AKs, at least). Me? I think at least some portion will eventually go back to various subguns when M4s are old-hat in another five or ten years and a new kid is on the block, just as has happened since, what, the mini-14? Probably MPXs or the new B&T carbine, since they appear to be the new hotness.
"Give the choice I'd rather have a carbine over a PDW."
And this tells me everything I need to know about your unrealistic expectations of the 5.7x28 (no insult intended, they're the same unrealistic expectations of every procurement officer who bought P90's when the job called for something with 3X the velocity behind it)
TCB
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