50 cal incident-Kansas City / not good!

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Numerous news articles from Kansas City....showing 50 cal ammo, info, items from Barrett, etc etc..... just what we need with the ongoing AWB discussion in DC right now.....not good!

It was a nightmare come true for first responders on Monday afternoon in Kansas City, Missouri. Firefighters responded to a fully involved house fire about 4pm. While they were pulling hose and getting ready to attack the fire, bullets started hitting the four pieces of apparatus, blowing out tires and punching big holes in the pumpers. Automatic weapons fire was coming through the smoke from across the street. The firefighters took cover but not before a 37-year old paramedic Mary Seymour, a 15-year veteran, took one in the chest and went down.

Police arrived, took heavy fire and returned fire. Officer Michelle Derby, under cover fire from her partner and other officers, ran out and hauled the wounded EMT to safety. Police peppered the area where the shooter was standing by the corner of a house across the street. Shooting stopped when that house exploded. The explosion was so massive that a news helicopter saw debris reach over 1,000 feet up. The debris field was five blocks in diameter and included 50-pound chunks of a gun safe.

The body of the suspect was found inside the exploded house surrounded by .50 caliber shell casings and a .50 rifle. Those slugs are six inches long, half-inch diameter, armor piercing rounds. Four-dozen weapons and twenty pipe bombs were also found in the house. The dead man, Donin Eric Wright, was a suspect in a 1988 arson that killed six Kansas City firefighters. Five other men were convicted of that crime. The FBI investigated Wright following the Oklahoma City terrorist attack because of a tip that he had so many heavy weapons. The FBI investigation ended in 1999 when he was determined not to be a threat. There was another unidentified body found with Wright, maybe his girlfriend. Paramedic Seymour is in stable condition. Two houses burned to the ground. Fire and police vehicles were riddled with .50 caliber rounds, and a neighborhood was terrorized.
 
DEAR GOD!

That sounds like an absolute disaster. I wonder what else was being stored in that house. I'm assuming tons of ammo and plenty of powder.

esheato..
 
I was waiting for this...

I knew there would be a splashy incident while the bills were being debated.

I just freaking knew it.
 
We really dont need stuff like this to be happening. Kinda makes you wonder if its people the anti's are hiring to do this.
 
I will wait to see how many .50 bullet holes they actually find. It sounds like more hype at just the right time, willing to bet Tom Diaz is waiting in the shadows. :rolleyes:
 
Paramedic Seymour is in stable condition.

Took a .50BMG to the chest and is stable ? sounds lucky to me .. or maybe not a .50BMG ..

glad all the good guys are ok .. but damn this is some bad news ..
 
I agree - she was NOT shot with a .50 BMG! If she had been, she wouldn't be alive today, and her remains might not be in one piece either... I suspect we'll find that the suspect OWNED a .50 Barrett, but wasn't using it during the firefight. The rounds lying around the house? Well, after an explosion, what do you expect?
 
The house was on fire!

Maybe the rounds were cooking off? Did they shoot a man who wasn't firing? Did they even hit him? They said the firefight stopped when something exploded.

And as far as the .50BMG being 'anti-tank'. I really wish that somebody would discredit that meme.

Okay, did some reading, the guy was a known 'baddie', that somehow didn't have a any convictions. The idea that the emergency worker survived not one but two mainbody hits from a functional .50 seems unlikely. Unless he was truly firing AP ammo, which only punched a .50 hole through her, with no fragmentation or expansion. In which case you're better off getting hit with a .50 AP then a .223 which fragments.

Your honor, I support the continued sales of AP ammo for high caliber weapons. Why? Isn't that dangerous for police? Well Sir, A hit from a .50BMG sniper gun with AP ammo is less dangerous than a .223. Having stupid criminals trying to kill somebody with a more expensive, heavy gun that's less effective is a good idea. :evil:
 
Unless he was truly firing AP ammo, which only punched a .50 hole through her, with no fragmentation or expansion. In which case you're better off getting hit with a .50 AP then a .223 which fragments.

The .50BMG rounds the military uses don't "tumble" or "fragment". They do, however, have about the best one shot-stop record of any service cartridge out there. Reports from snipers using .50s in Iraq said that they completely ripped apart the people they hit. One sniper claimed his .50 Barrett rifle prettymuch tore a man in half.

It seems to be something of a myth floating around the gun boards that unless a bullet expands, tumbles, or fragments, all it does is make a neat little hole through-and-through, and the person being hit has only patch himself up before he bleeds out and he'll be okay.

This, of course, does not take into account PHYSICS. Why is .223 better than .22LR, even if using the same bullet weight, and assuming no fragmentation or expansion?

Why are Buffalo Bore .45-70 loads better than .45ACP target wadcutters?

Why is .300 Win Mag more lethal than .30 Carbine?

The answer is because velocity+mass = energy. When you throw a rock into a puddle of water, it doesn't just make a rock-shaped hole int he water for a second. It makes a splash. The human body is similar. It's elastic, but largely fluid (we are mostly water). The "temporary cavity" that is often talked about is, in a nutshell, your insides getting blown apart, with nothing but air where they used to be. Now, being elastic critters, our insides tend to bounce back. But, the stretching leads to tearing, destruction of muscle tissue, rupturing of cell walls and blood vessels, etc.

So NO. You're not better off getting hit with a .50BMG projectile than a .223.

Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread here.
 
I'll bet $1.00...

That it will be clarified that she was NOT hit with a .50 bmg.

And I'll bet another $1.00 that this won't happen/be released until AFTER the debate and vote.
 
Yep, make sure the media and politicians focus on the Barrett and completely ignore the 20 pipe bombs. It's like Columbine. No one remembers the numerous bombs they planted, just that they shot a bunch of students. Their goal was to blow up the school and use guns to pick off the survivors.

If it turns out this guy did use a .50 to shoot at the first responders, they are lucky. It would seem he was a lousy shot. If he had used the bombs, he would have done a great deal more damage.
 
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Maybe fire-fighters ought to start mounting M240s coaxial to the water cannon.
 
Notice that one of the articles twice identifies the rounds that struck the cars as, "small caliber rounds".
As small-caliber rounds peppered the first cruiser
three small-caliber rounds punctured the front seats
If KC considers .50 "small caliber" then what do they consider large?
 
From a military stand point 50bmg IS considered a small arm. And there are a LOT of people who have survived being hit by them and their foreign made equivalents. Granted its among the LAST things id ever volunteer to be shot with but, the fact that someone lived doesnt mean it wasnt a 50bmg. Thinking that 50bmg is some kind of instant death ray is EXACTLY what the antis try so very hard to get the public to believe. It's a nasty nasty round but, if it was as effective as some of us seem to think then there would never have been a need for anything bigger (and there is).
 
Somethin' fishy here ... gotta dig out the old Tin Foil Hat and wonder if this wasn't staged (or evidence planted after the fact).

My brother lives in Overland Park and said the local news reported that authorities have already bulldozed the sight (I smell coverup)

Also its not sure that the "suspect" was firing on fire fighters/police but that the ammo was cooking off in the fire ... I imagine a .50BMG that has cooked off would do a lot less damage then one fired from a gun.
 
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