'58 Remy?

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Anyone shoot an 1858 Remington New Model Army .44 caliber percussion revolver here? Been thinking about the Uberti:

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I hear these are more reliable than the Colts. Any truth to that? Looking to get back into the cap and ball game and wanting the most reliable and dependable cap and ball revolver. I know the Ruger Old Armys are considered tops but I don't have the money for one and I want a historical design. Thanks!
 
I would say that the reliability of the Remingtons is about on a par with that of the Colts. But the Remington frame is stronger because of the top strap. An additional benefit is the quick interchange of cylinders.

Remingtons have safety notches between the cylinders, as opposed to safety pins on the Colts. Safety pins tend to get battered down, something that is not a problem with the Remington design.

The current Italian manufacturers of the Remington are Pietta and Uberti. The Uberti is closer in size to the prototype (the Pietta is a little larger), and it has marginally better fit and finish.
 
The other benefit of the Remington over the Colt, which goes along with what @AlexanderA said, is that because of the lever-and-pin cylinder removal, takedown for cleaning is much easier compared to the arbor of the Colt. I have owned 2 Pietta Remingtons, one target and one standard, both the + 8" barrel. My front sight on the target model was soldered on crooked, negating any advantage of the rear sight, but that was 20 years ago, so I am sure QA has improved ;)
 
Here are a few that are reasonable,

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/645152753
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/643844375
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/14438749

I would get the Uberti with its forged frame and its dovetailed front sight on all models. That's all the adjustment you really need for the Remingtons.

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First time shooting my Remington at 25 yards. First shots were very high as I had the front blade to high in the top strap grove. I adjusted by placing the front blade deeper into the grove and she started working her way down. As you can see as soon as I figured out the height adjustment for that range she started planting them in the 10 ring. Just a tap to the front sight to the left would have put them all in the 10x ring.

Yes get the Remington. These things are fun to shoot but eventually you want to hit something.
 
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Suggest you avoid the Colt - Remington slugfest. Everyone is allowed an opinion. Piettas made in the last five years (perhaps a few years longer) will perform as well as Ubertis. The Ubertis proportions are closer to the origunal. Pietta makes some quite fanciful stuff. Bluing on Ubertis is better, in my opinion.
 
RPRNY said:
Suggest you avoid the Colt - Remington slugfest. Everyone is allowed an opinion. Piettas made in the last five years (perhaps a few years longer) will perform as well as Ubertis. The Ubertis proportions are closer to the origunal. Pietta makes some quite fanciful stuff. Bluing on Ubertis is better, in my opinion.
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I was never trying to start a slugfest.
 
My best advise is get a cap and ball gun. Shoot it often and have fun. Then get another and do the same. Careful cuz you will end up with a safe full of them.
Seriously The Pietta and Uberti are pretty close in quality if the Pietta is of recent manufacture ( last 5 years or so ). That's my opinion.
 
Cooldill has a few already. He has a real sweet '51 Navy from Cimarron Arms. I guess now he's looking for something with a little more punch.
 
Last time I checked, the THR Remington 1858 club was with more than 220 participants, owning at least one Remington NMA. So I think that yea, you can safely say that there are several of us here... ;)
...wanting the most reliable and dependable cap and ball revolver...
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If you tune it it will be almost as reliable as a modern center fire revolver. But do expect quicker cylinder binding from fouling than an open top revolver - after every second or third cylinder that is shot you must remove the cylinder pin for a quick wipe. In general, if you do your homework of course, these revolving holster pistols are reliable and trouble free.
 
I like the 1858 as well as the open top Colts. They each have their own character.

An 1858 Uberti Remington clone is the rugged lumberjack, an 1862 Uberti Colt Pocket Police is the graceful ballerina. Sometimes I want true grit, other times I want refined.
 
As its said one picture, a thousand words. My Arm San Marco, at the range Wednesday, 48 rounds, no misfires, no hung up caps. Loaded off gun however to avoid the fouling issues. 30.1 grains 3F (Lyman 1.9 CC dipper) wad, .454 ball. 12 yard line at the county range. I can't do any better with my adjustable sight ROA's and this seems to be just as reliable. ( However a Uberti Remington by Navy Arms, in 36 caliber is no where near as accurate or reliable.) Even modern revolvers will vary from gun to gun.
 

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Personally, I find that my grip on my Pietta 1858 is less comfortable than my 1860 Colts. I guess I have XL hands.
 
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An 1858 Uberti Remington clone is the rugged lumberjack, an 1862 Uberti Colt Pocket Police is the graceful ballerina.
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Interesting depictions but I see the Remington Model 1858 being more like the hard fighting Civil War infantryman while the Colt Pocket Police is the riverboat gambler's nearest and dearest companion.
 
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Well Cooldill there you have it. How many more pictures of targets with their bulls eyes punched out do you need?


Remington's can shoot.
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Well this one sure does. Local 4 table gun show a few years back. $200 out the door. Other than the fouling tendency common to the design, a pleasant firearm to shoot.
If I could find someone to do the cylinder bushing alteration for a reasonable price I'd go for it.
 
Thanks so much, gang. Just wondering about the fouling problems I am reading about. How does on combat such problems during shooting at the range to keep the gun going?
 
Personally, I find that my grip on my Pietta 1858 is less comfortable than my 1860 Colts.
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You are correct, but with just a little imagination and skill one can make a T-Grip style adapter for his 1858 NMA, just like I did. I wear L sized gloves and with the adapter in place the grip fits me almost perfect - it's a little bit short, but nothing to write home about. And it's much more pleasant to shoot with conicals & max. loads that way.

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Just wondering about the fouling problems I am reading about. How does on combat such problems during shooting at the range to keep the gun going?
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Just wipe that bloody cylinder pin with a (filthy) rag every couple of cylinders...
 
Cooldill said:
Thanks so much, gang. Just wondering about the fouling problems I am reading about. How does on combat such problems during shooting at the range to keep the gun going?
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I was instructed to use an oil on the base pin. I spray Ballistol and it keeps it going, though I do apply it every few cylinders. Not sure if it's necessary or not, and it's not as though I begin to feel it drag or bind.
 
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I was instructed to use an oil on the base pin. I spray Ballistol and it keeps it going, though I do apply it every few cylinders. Not sure if it's necessary or not, and it's not as though I begin to feel it drag or bind.
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Does one need to wipe off the cylinder pin or the hole in the cylinder? Thanks!
 
I have had good luck with plumber's silicone on the arbor or base pin of my BP revolvers. Does not impede function but it is viscous enough to slow down the fouling accumulation.

IronHand
 
Mizar - is there a metal clip for that grip adapter that slips beneath the normal grips?
 
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