Nope. A spritz and you're ready again if it's even necessary in the first place.
I really out to try it and see how long it takes before it begins binding again. It used to be that it only functioned well for 3 cylinders.
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Nope. A spritz and you're ready again if it's even necessary in the first place.
I really out to try it and see how long it takes before it begins binding again. It used to be that it only functioned well for 3 cylinders.
Crawdad1
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I never did. I just wipe the pin with a rag. You can feel the cylinder starting to bind up so just clean the pin more often.
Mizar
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Yes - an U shaped metal clip, glued with epoxy.
Armored farmer
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Years ago, I was bidding on gunbroker for a cap and ball revolver. It was a stainless 5.5" ROA with fixed sights and fake ivory grips. Needless to say, it was going to be expensive, but I wanted it.
We experienced a power outage here, and it was long gone when I got back online.
Right after that, Cabelas had 5.5" NMAS Pietta on sale for $150.00.
Man, am I glad the power went out that night.....I love my Sheriff's model Pietta, and I saved about $850.00 to boot!
We experienced a power outage here, and it was long gone when I got back online.
Right after that, Cabelas had 5.5" NMAS Pietta on sale for $150.00.
Man, am I glad the power went out that night.....I love my Sheriff's model Pietta, and I saved about $850.00 to boot!
daboyleroy
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They are on sale
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shoo...army-caliber-black-powder-revolver/731695.uts
Got one....it's a shooter
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shoo...army-caliber-black-powder-revolver/731695.uts
Got one....it's a shooter
daboyleroy
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Anyone tried the 58 by Pedersoli??
Way too rich for my blood.....
But so is fatback
Way too rich for my blood.....
But so is fatback
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Panzerschwein
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I want the Uberti version as it is more historically correct in size and uses a forged frame.
The Uberti aint worth the extra $100 to me but I'd give one a try some day if the price is right.
Dixie Gun Works has the Uberti NMA 58 44 on sale for $310.
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/produ...cts_id=1041&osCsid=qg4n4cl4gkc8og2pmvtvkp7dp0
You ought to buy one and show us how much better than a Pietta it is.
Dixie Gun Works has the Uberti NMA 58 44 on sale for $310.
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/produ...cts_id=1041&osCsid=qg4n4cl4gkc8og2pmvtvkp7dp0
You ought to buy one and show us how much better than a Pietta it is.
Crawdad1
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I've never seen one but if you're going to compete in N-SSA or NMLRA or, given the Remington is accepted in any sponsored competition, they may be worth the extra price. How much better than something like Phil's Euroarms with its Lothar Walther match grade barrel on it I don't know. Phil hasn't posted in a while.
That's another option Cooldill. Are you going to compete?
Shanghai McCoy
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I have three, an early stainless version from..? ,it's down in the safe, and two Pedersolis, a sheriffs model and the full size. Funny thing is, as I recall the stainless version is noticeably smaller in overall size than the blue steel versions. All shoot fine and that sheriff's version is down right handy.\
OK, went down and checked and the stainless one has Armsport on the barrel. Maybe it was made by ASM..?
OK, went down and checked and the stainless one has Armsport on the barrel. Maybe it was made by ASM..?
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Driftwood Johnson
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The reason the 1858 Remington tends to bind up quicker than a Colt type C&B revolver is because the Remington has a thin cylinder pin while the Colts have a large diameter arbor.
Neither revolver has a raised bushing on the cylinder, the raised bushing is the real secret to keeping a revolver from binding with Black Powder fouling, but the raised cylinder bushing did not appear until cartridge revolvers came along. With the flat face of a C&B cylinder there is nothing to prevent BP fouling blasted out of the barrel/cylinder gap from being deposited on the cylinder pin or arbor. As more fouling gets deposited on the pin or arbor, it works its way down and soon causes the cylinder to bind up.
This photo shows the difference between the Colt and Remington designs. Notice the Colt arbor is larger in diameter. Notice it also has a helical clearance groove cut into it. The clearance cut collects fouling so it does not bind the cylinder. And the larger diameter spreads the fouling out more, which also helps. You can see I tried cutting some clearance grooves in this Remington cylinder pin by chucking it up in my drill press and going after it with a file. That's why they look so crude. I used to load up the pin and the grooves with Bore Butter before a CAS match. It did not really help too much. These days I mostly shoot my Remmies with cartridge conversion cylinders chambered for 45 Colt. I find that even with Big Lube bullets and the huge amount of lube they carry, I still have to removed the cylinder after every five shots and wipe the face off with a damp rag. That will keep them going. If I don't wipe down the cylinder face every cylinder full they will tend to bind up.
The good part is the cylinder of a Remmie is so easy to remove, it is no problem wiping it down after every cylinder full.
Ignore the bullets at the bottom of the photo, those are the bullets I load my 45 Colt cartridges with.
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Panzerschwein
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No this will be purely recreational. Thanks gang for the suggestions and tips! I appreciate it!
That extra $100 would about pay to have the sight and latch dovetailed. And whether or not Uberti's have a .450" chamber and .452" bore would certainly put you in the black as far as reaming the chambers.
I'm curious what the bore dimensions are for those of you with the Uberti model. I've read a few times that it's .452" until recently. Anyone?
Crawdad1
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A Sheriff's model Pedersoli? They don't list it on their website.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sc...ttern-remington-pattern-pedersoli-target.html
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sc...ttern-remington-pattern-pedersoli-target.html
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Panzerschwein
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Take your attitude elsewhere. I never said it was a better gun. All I said was that I liked the fact that Uberti is a closer copy and has a forged frame, though I know a forged frame is not going to matter much. The fact that Uberti took the time to more closely copy the size of the original is appreciated by me, I am not trying to shove it down anyone's throat.
Mizar
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That would be me, I guess. After our conversation I "Googled" again Uberti's bore size for 1858 NMA. And most of the time I got the same dimension that you state - .452, but on several occasions I have found people claiming to measure it up to .454, even .456... Add to that and the well known Traditions chart, claiming .458 bore size for Uberti, without stating even the type of firearm... So in general, you are correct about the bore size - it must be those extreme numbers that struck my mind and I must remembered them as a standard bore size for Uberti... My apologies.
Shanghai McCoy
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It's the shorter, 5 1/2", barrel version . Usually the short barrel versions will be advertised as the "Sheriff's Model" but that's just advertising.
Nothing to apologize for. It could well be there are some examples with bores that large. I'm certainly not sure what tolerances they have/had for replacing worn parts.
Crawdad1
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By Pedersoli? Or Pietta?
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Crawdad1
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I can't find the Pedersoli Remington anymore for sale on any website. Have you?
daboyleroy
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http://www.cherrys.com/ped_pist.htm
Bottom of the page......
S349-44 .44 caliber percussion $1,000.00 (Special Order
Crawdad1
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Thank you daboyleroy!!! 
Wow, that is some serious change and before putting that much money into a revolver that is marketed for competitors I want to see a whole bunch of gold medals hanging from its barrel.
Wow, that is some serious change and before putting that much money into a revolver that is marketed for competitors I want to see a whole bunch of gold medals hanging from its barrel.
whughett
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Driftwood: Neither revolver has a raised bushing on the cylinder, the raised bushing is the real secret to keeping a revolver from binding with Black Powder fouling, but the raised cylinder bushing did not appear until cartridge revolvers came along.
The Rogers and Spencer has that feature. Developed and introduced during the civil war it came too late to be adopted by the Union Army and was never sold in quantity, my understanding a few were sold on the civilian market,
The Rogers and Spencer has that feature. Developed and introduced during the civil war it came too late to be adopted by the Union Army and was never sold in quantity, my understanding a few were sold on the civilian market,
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