7.62x39 non AK Semiauto

[Jay the Plinker]

I want a 7.62x39 non ak rifle for HD and range fun I have done my research and sigs 516 Russian (piston ar-15) and the 2012 sig 556r (heard they fixed the problems are on my list. I can't find the 516 r anywhere online. Has it just not come out yet.

I also like the ptr32, anyone have experience which these. What are the trigger pulls like and where can I find them. I could go for an ak (I guess) but you'll have to post picks of mounted optics because I do not like the ak's sight. I do like diopter sights in the ptr and for the sig 556.

 

[Nickel Plated]

There's also the Mini-30. Though I hear they have problems with Russian surplus 7.62. Which kind of defeats the point of the thing.

Also the SKS. Despite what some will tell you, it's quite different from an AK.

 

[chris in va]

VZ 58. And no, it's not an AK.

 

[jason41987]

AKs are awesome.. why do you not want one?.. unless you already have a few

as for mounted optics you can get the texas weapon systems dogleg, which is a top rail for mounting whatever optics you like.. or get one with the side mount the russians use to mount their optics... then you can mount any scope or red dot sight you wanted

 

[stubbicatt]

I held a SIG 556r the other day, and was impressed. I understand that a polish of the chamber will make it more reliable with use of lacquer coated cartridges. The guy who owns it says it is a super rifle.

The PTR utilizes the same trigger group, at least in design, as does the G3. I have a couple of these triggers, and had Bill Springfield work them over, and they are very nice. I suspect he could do your trigger as well.

The reason I think I would choose the SIG over the PTR32, is that the rail is just a bit longer, and the fore end looks as though it might insulate against heat a bit better than the aluminum fore end on the PTR32.

 

[armoredman]

Ditto, SA vz-58, not an AK. This is the 7.62x39mm version, and has a 1x red dot mounted on the forearm.



This is the new 5.56mm version, (with AR-15 magwell adapter), and shows the side rail scope mount, which has excellent repeatable zero.

 

[Jay the Plinker]

I looked at the vz 58 I guess you can get a rail for the top but I don't think that I really want one that much. I kind of wanted a black rifle.

 

[mac66]

The new Mini 30s are good to go.

 

[armoredman]

A...black...rifle...Hmm, what color are my vz-58s...black.
OK, have fun with whatever you chose.

 

[Girodin]

I could go for an ak (I guess) but you'll have to post picks of mounted optics because I do not like the ak's sight.

This is a very proven set up for running a RDS on an AK, an ultimak gas tube rail with a micro aimpoint.

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There are also various options to run a peep sight out on the rear of an AK as well if that is the only issue.

 

[jason41987]

or.. better yet, with an AK... just mount it on the side like the russians would.. with a side mount

http://zenphotos.net/file/Online/SVD/Saiga12/Tac47ZenS12Aimpoint02.JPG
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/images/products/aksm.gif

or mount it on this

http://texasweaponsystems.purehost.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/TWS/PIC_0038Rev.jpg

 

[NeuseRvrRat]

SKS with tech sights

or if your big hang-up on an AK is the sights, then you can put tech sights on them too

 

[Girodin]

I have a TWS top cover on one of my AKs. If all I wanted was a small red dot like a T1 then I'd use the ultimak. I'm certainly not saying its the only way to do it. However, it is how I would choose to do it. I prefer both the ultimak and the TWS to using the side rail.

 

[A Person]

I'm very suprized that no one here has suggested an SKS! Modify it with a detachable mag from Tapco, maybe a stock from Tapco, and a get a red dot scope and bam, you've got a rifle that can run BETTER than an AK47 (just as reliable, more accurate). Hope this helps.

 

[mljdeckard]

(A few people mentioned an SKS.)

Watch your 922r compliance. You can't JUST switch out the magazine and call it good, there are further requirements.

You can add a tech sight for about $60, that in and of itself about doubled how accurately I can shoot it.

 

[jason41987]

I'm very suprized that no one here has suggested an SKS! Modify it with a detachable mag from Tapco, maybe a stock from Tapco, and a get a red dot scope and bam, you've got a rifle that can run BETTER than an AK47 (just as reliable, more accurate). Hope this helps.

if you really want to get into tweaking the SKS, ive seem some guides to modifying it for AK magazines

and mljdeckard is right... once you change something on the SKS, you have to change everything needed to be 922r complaint.. stock, its not neccessary, but as soon as you do one modification you have to do them all

 

[M1key]

The Colt AR or Mini-30...

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[Sky]

Model 1 AR in 7.62x39 has worked for a few of us here at THR. No mag problems etc etc

I was shooting 8" plates with 154gr soft point at 100 yards yesterday without even trying with the AK an red dot set up.

Your choices are multiple it just depends on what you like to shoot.

 

[mortablunt]

I want a 7.62x39 non ak rifle for HD and range fun.

Careful there, Jay the Plinker, you said "7.62x39" "For" and "HD" in the same statement. Anyway, why not an AK? Two good economic solutions to your question are the Saiga and the Chezh Vz.58. The latter only resembles the AK externally. Other options are the SKS, although your seeming distaste for Russian weapons probably rules that our. There is also the Mini30, which is pretty much a Mini14 that eats 7.62x39 ammunition. For 7.62x39, there really is no better choice than an AK.

I have done my research and Sig's 516 Russian (piston ar-15) and the 2012 sig 556r (heard they fixed the problems are on my list. I can't find the 516 r anywhere online. Has it just not come out yet.

The Sig516 Russian came out in 2010. However, I've never heard of it until I read your post about say, 351 seconds ago. I'm not certain about importation, availability, quality, or price. IMO, one of the biggest advantages of the 7.62x39 round is that it's typically slung from a Kalashnikov rifle; you're doing yourself a disservice by trying to cross-class two very different design paradigms. I understand that some folks just flat out don't like the AK at all. However, Sig Sauer has infamously high prices and a lack of support in the United States. I'm uncertain as to whether or not generic 7.62x39 AR mags would work with the gun. The 7.62 Sig gun is notorious for having issues with firing and feeding, and problems with steel-cased ammunition. Most of your just for fun 7.62x39 ammo is going to be cheap bulk steel case.

I also like the ptr32, anyone have experience which these. What are the trigger pulls like and where can I find them. I could go for an ak (I guess) but you'll have to post picks of mounted optics because I do not like the ak's sight. I do like diopter sights in the ptr and for the sig 556.

The PTR-32 got good marks from The Box 'O' Truth, although it is definitely heavy and quite expensive. Say, have you got a budget or put any thought into the logistics of supporting such a gun? Getting mags to work with it seems to be hit and miss. As far as reliability, accuracy, and such goes, it's a modified G3; you aren't going to have any problems. It's probably the best non-ComBloc solution I see to your question. Now you say that you dislike AK sights. You can replace the rear notch with an aperture sight, and there are rails for adding optics. In my opinion, open sights are the quickest and easiest type of irons to use in CQB, which is what home defense is.

 

[mberoose]

CZ VZ58 Sporter

 

[crazyjennyblack]

I would vote for the Mini 30. I was going to buy a VZ-58, until I figured out that the mags are harder to find and more expensive than AK mags. I bought the AK instead. If you don't want an AK, you probably won't want a VZ-58 either, because while they are different, they are similar enough.

As for the Mini 30, the magazines are kinda pricey, but you can get steel 20-rounders for $25-30. People tend to knock the Minis for accuracy, but my Mini 14 seems to hit where I want it to. Plus, it has the advantage of not always looking like an evil black rifle if you only have a 5-10 round magazine in it.

Another choice would be to get an AR-15 with a 7.62x39 upper. You could then swap between that upper and a 5.56 upper, if you wanted. If you went out to buy a Mini-30, just a little bit more money would get you an AR-15 with whatever caliber upper you wanted.

Mostly, it just depends on your budget.

 

[armoredman]

Mags are $15 each. http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/produ...magazine-with-us-made-parts-complete-surplus/
Just sayin'...

 

[wow6599]

M10-762
I like mine, of course....

 

[Ignition Override]

NeuseRvrRat: Good point about Tech Sights.

It surprises me that so many owners refer to the SKS or AK's bad sights, but they ignore comments from so many of us about how much better the Tech is.

They might be afraid of the process of changing the sights, but it requires zero skill. It is the only thing I've ever done to a gun, other than inserting ammo.

 

[Adam123]

AKs are so much more modular that anything else that shoots 7.62x39... aside from an AR chambered in that caliber, but why hurt that round's reputation by running it through an AR? If I couldn't have an AK in 7.62x39, I'd go with the Sig Sauer 556R. Excluding the AR, the AKM is probably the most modular rifle in the US.

Some cool AK-pattern rifles that don't necessarily jump at you and say "Hey, I'm an AK!!"...

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