8 rounds of 45 or 15 rounds of 9mm

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Both rounds are ballistically similar, despite the seemingly obvious advantage of the larger bullet. In most situations a few shots are all that are required, so it's a wash.

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If I'm actually shooting people my day isn't going exactly as expected. I'd rather have as many shots as possible and a long gun in the trunk.
 
I had this exact same debate with my brother and friends in 1990. Thee is no universal true answer. If you could, I'd go with a high cap 45 that holds 13 rounds. Several to choose from. Assumes it complies with the law, etc.
 
I don't expect a gun to save my life. I expect ME to save my life. A gun, is simply a tool. I don't carry an extra magazine. If my gun has an issue, then I guess I'm not going to be using it as a tool. As for the mag capacity, I take what is normal for that gun. In other words, I pick a gun that I like the feel, accuracy, recoil, etc... If it's a 7 round 9mm, then that's what I'll buy. If it's a 12-15 round 9mm of a different manufacturer, then that's what I'll buy. Basically, I'm saying that I NEVER consider magazine capacity. I pick the gun for accuracy, recoil, comfort, reliability, dependability, etc... Whatever the magazine capacity is..... is what it is. I won't change my mind on purchasing a gun because of magazine capacity.
 
Used to carry 8 rounds of .45, 1 spare magazine (sometimes). Now I carry 15 rounds of 9mm, 1 spare magazine (sometimes). Why? The 9mm is a lighter, slightly smaller pistol, holds more ammo, and is cheaper to shoot.
 
Honestly, "knock down power" is something close to mythology anyway. Neither the 9mm or .45 ACP actually has the power to physically knock someone down. Hollywood loves to promote that myth, as it looks really darn cool on the movie screen. But, to really knock someone down you are seeking shock caused by massive blood loss, or severe damage to the central nervous system.


I had the impression that "knock-down power" was used synonymously with liklihood of cutting a nerve or artery...
 
I found this usefull, I just cut and pasted the end but will add the link to the entire article. It kind of agrees with what most have ben saying,
Conclusion and Thoughts on 9mm vs. 45ACP:


It is my belief based on data from serious researchers that with FMJ, the 45-caliber automatic is more potent than the 9mm. That does not mean that I believe either to be anywhere near the top of the list for self-protection. I do not believe that "they all fall to hardball."

I do tend to agree that the expanding defensive bullet should penetrate between about 12 and 14". This may be more than required for a straight on, unobstructed chest shot, but it better insures punching the vitals should an intermediate target like an arm get in the way. It would also likely be more effective if the shot was made from the side rather than the front or back.

I am convinced that the size of the wound channel from an expanded .45 ACP bullet will be larger than that from the 9mm and this should make it more effective, but I have not seen a noticeable difference on animals as mentioned previously. I am equally convinced that gelatin results may or very well may not match what actually occurs in flesh-and-bone targets.

Probably the most important factor in stopping power (regardless of caliber) remains placement. That this can be difficult to obtain in the life-and-death fight scenario doesn't change the necessity for it if we want the opponent to go down for physical rather than psychological reasons.

With the best loads, I opine that .45 ACP is a better "man stopper" than 9mm with its best loads, but am not sure of by what margin.

I do not believe that a 9mm loaded with the better loads is an inadequate defense gun and frequently tote one myself.

I do not "trust" either the .45 ACP or the 9mm (or any other handgun caliber) to provide the elusive "one shot stop" unless the brain or central nervous system is destroyed.

I am not convinced that the temporary cavity produced by handgun bullets is totally irrelevant, but I also have no idea of how it may actually contribute. I wish there would be more serious research in this area.

Either of these calibers with any load may fail to provide the desired results even with a "good" hit. Either may require multiple "good" hits.

Perhaps either caliber would provide fewer failures if we practiced as much as we worry about our caliber's stopping potential.

I believe that we will continue to see stunning successes and dismal failures with all commonly used defensive handgun calibers including the 9mm and .45 ACP.


An experienced old lawman once told me that a man can be the easiest or the hardest "critter" to put down and the problem is that you never know which you're getting. I think that maybe what he was trying to say is that while a man is an animal, wild animals are not men. If a man is shot and thinks about what has just happened, his human drive to survive may include stopping what he's doing or begging for help. A javelina or deer or bear, etc will not stop until it physically can do nothing else. On the other hand, if a shot man simply reverts to some primordial anger or rage (I'm not sure what to call it) and simply lets his animalistic side come out, he may very well be a most difficult opponent. For 200-lb. animals, we sometimes see even high-powered rifles fail to provide instant "stops." I do not know how to factor in the adrenaline dump that can occur when we're suddenly injured or realizing that we must fight to survive, but I do believe that all of the preceding can play a significant role in the area of stopping power.

here is the link to the entire article, he has done a lifetime of hangun shooting and hunting with 9mm and 45 cal, and I thought some may find it a good read regaurdless of your particular view. It made me more open twords the 9mm than before I read it.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/9mm vs 45.htm
 
45 with 8.. to give me enough time to get to a rifle or shotgun.

Not cover fire to get to the rifle. But in that if in 3-4 well placed shots does not end it, I need to bew retreating to a better position and acccess to more firepower than any pistol will give me.
 
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I left out 40 because to me it's too expensive and isn't much more useful than the two most often carried.

Huh? Too expensive?

Last I checked, it was still cheaper the .45 ACP ammo.

Around here .40 ammo is cheaper, and more abundant, than .45 ammo.

+1. .40 S&W is always cheaper and more common around here than .45ACP. And I know a lot of people (myself included) who would disagree that the .40 isn't much more useful than either the 9mm or .45ACP.
 
I have this exact choice to make between my Glock 38 or 19.
The 38 holds 8 + 1 of 45 GAP and is basically the same size as the 19, but 38 has slightly thicker slide.
The 38 is very controllable for speed of 2nd shots, almost identical to the 19.
A few months ago the 38 was in my holster, now it's the 19.
I'll likely never need the extra capacity of the 19, but since it places shots equally quick and accurate I can't see the disadvantage in a few extra rounds.

I know the 9mm is a smaller bullet, but it delivers the KE out of the 19 with the right load:
Glock 38 with Winchester Ranger T 230 gr. 788 fps / 317# KE
Glock 19 with Winchester Ranger T 127 gr. +P+ 1,238 fps / 433# KE

I feel very comfortable with either pistol, but right now the 19 is my bud.
 
I do not carry guns that are large or wide enough for 15 rounds of 9mm, so for me the decision is obvious. I also have been known to only carry 8 rounds of 9mm in a single stack pistol as well!
 
Well that depends on the occasion, of course...

For a romantic dinner out, I prefer something sheik and elegant, preferably silver and black in color.... so definitely 8 in .45

For that ubiquitous shopping trip to the big box store, something discreet and tidy, yet ruggedly masculine would be best... obviously 15 in 9mm.

Pretty obvious really, for any fashionable pistol packers, that is.

Didn't they teach you this in your CCW class?

:neener:
 
While I think that .45 ACP offers a small, difficult-to-quantify advantage over 9mm per round, I'd take 15 rounds of 9mm over 8 of .45 ACP, thanks.

Honestly, i don't see how .40 offers any real world advantage at all over the top performing 9mm loads.

I prefer to use ordinary, standard-pressure ammo for both training and defensive purposes, and in that case .40 generally offers slightly larger bullet diameter for the same penetration or more penetration for the same diameter. If that's not a real world advantage, then .45 ACP doesn't have one either, so I'll still take the 15 rounds.
 
all handgun calibers are garbage when it comes to terminal balistics, we carry them because they are concealable, and we don't live in a place where we can walk around with a rifle or shotgun on our backs, so with that in mind, i would rather have 15rds
9mm.
 
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