9mm snubbies

[David E]

Never intended on picking up a scandium J frame.

Ah, ok.

One main attraction to the snubnose for most people is that it's lightweight.

Going to an all steel format makes one ponder what, exactly, is being gained over, say, a Glock 26/27 or a Kahr K-9/K-40/P-9/P-40

In fact, one can argue that quite a bit is being lost choosing a 5-shot all steel snubby over those guns.

 

[smalls]

One main attraction to the snubnose for most people is that it's lightweight.

Mostly just because I want one. And it's not as if only the scandium framed revolvers are light.

Going to an all steel format makes one ponder what, exactly, is being gained over, say, a Glock 26/27 or a Kahr K-9/K-40/P-9/P-40

Probably nothing, besides that I want a revolver and not a Glock or Kahr.

Some people might say that a 9mm commander length 1911 doesn't make sense, either. But I bought one because its what I wanted, and I love it.

 

[David E]

it's not as if only the scandium framed revolvers are light.

If you want a .357, it'll either be all steel or scandium. The only Airweight S&W's are .38 or smaller.

 

[bdb benzino]

Benzino, thanks for the insight, what'd you pay for yours? How small is the Taurus? Pocket carry small?

I think it was right at $369, and it is almost identical to a J frame S&W. It even uses the many J frame holsters I have just fine. It also weighs the same as an all steel j frame 21-23oz, so it could be a little heavy for pocket carry but I often forget its there when CC IWB.

But the big problem is carrying the reload. Sure, you can buy a holder for it, but its pretty bulky for holding only 5 rds. And if you ever wanted to do a tac-load, forget it.

^^ Not sure what kind of carriers you have seen, but the ones I got from DelFatti Leather carry 5 clipped rounds ready to go at only half the size of a regular speedloader. I personally find reloading with moonclips to be noticeably faster than with speedloaders even for a novice. YMMV.

 

[smalls]

Awesome, thanks very much Benzino. That helps a lot.

 

[CPLofMARINES]

smalls, hey neighbor ! You mentioned Charter Arms 9mm
Pit Bull, they make that in a .40 as well, bigger hole, if that's
An option for you. If not, and it's 9mm in a snub you want,
(Something I have considered as well) then I think you
Need to choose the hottest load available, being such a
Short barrel and with loss of chamber pressure, revolver
Vs. auto loader, I think that would be something to reckon
With. Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, are excellent choices.

 

[smalls]

I did see that they were offered in .40, but I am not a fan of the caliber.

And unfortunately, as cool as the design sounds, EVERY review I've read so far had had problems. I think the Pitbull is out of the running.

I havent really thought about ammo, yet. Haven't gotten that far, I guess, haha. I think I'll probably try Gold Dot's short barrel rounds, and see how that goes.

 

[David E]

^^ Not sure what kind of carriers you have seen, but the ones I got from DelFatti Leather carry 5 clipped rounds ready to go at only half the size of a regular speedloader.

You still have a bulky carrier compared to a speed strip. Del Fatti wants $80 for his and isn't currently taking orders.

I personally find reloading with moonclips to be noticeably faster than with speedloaders even for a novice. YMMV.

Once you get it in hand AND it isn't bent, sure.

 

[gym]

David hit on it in post #26. The age old argument or catch 22. When you come down to it, you really don't benefit from carrying a snubby other than personal taste. They are heavier and carry less ammo then their counterparts. I just like them for their simplicity, and only would get a j frame in 357, I want the option of having that round available in the toolbox. But to get a 38 for me, "been there done that for 22 yrs". They were the smallest thing you could carry which was part of the allure. But now a 13 round Glock 26 "extra+2" or a 13 round M&P 9c, reallly puts them a bit out of date.

 

[smalls]

you really don't benefit from carrying a snubby other than personal taste

And this is exactly what it boils down to. Whether it makes sense to others or not, it's what I want.

So, with all due respect, I'd appreciate it if we could drop it, and get back to the original point of the thread.

 

[smalls]

Benzino-you mentioned J frame holsters and the 905. What specific holsters are you using?

Will it use J frame grips?

 

[JERRY]

semi auto rounds for a revolver are not much more than gimick or collector guns...

aside from the necessity for the .45acp N frame way back yon.... there is a reason why these havent caught on no matter who made them....S&W, Ruger, Charter Arms.... .40cal or 9mm theyve all slipped or are slipping into bolivia (LOL).

 

[Godsgunman]

For what its worth I've looked at the Taurus 905 and would own it myself if I wasn't already invested heavily in my .357 (reloading and all that). I have an old Taurus M65 3" that has seen thousands of rounds and is one of my favorite carry guns. I believe Taurus does a great job with their revolvers. If you decide against the 9mm then .357 is the way to go especially if you reload.

 

[PabloJ]

If I wanted 5-shot revolver it would be Strum & Ruger SP101 with 4.2" barrel and adjustable sights. One could get Vo of about 1350fps with .357 load the longer barrel reduces blast and does not compromise concealment plus one could fit night sights w/o too much trouble. At one time S&W offered magnum J-frame .357 with 5" barrel which I thought was real nice to have as HD or trail gun but it was discontinued after very brief production run. I owned 940 briefly and would not buy another. For all practical purposes it came with no sights and spare moon clips were real pain in the ass to carry.

 

[dprice3844444]

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=smith+and+wesson+model+940

 

[PabloJ]

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=smith+and+wesson+model+940

Nice clean original one usually brings around $675.

 

[C0untZer0]

I think it's impossible to tell if Charter Arms has worked out the quality problems with their rimless revolver in 9mm because they only seem to make a few revolvers a month.

I'd be surprised if they make more than one 9mm PITBULL in a week.

As leary as I am of Taurus, I've only hear good things about the 905 - the "stellar" clips are another matter, but you can buy moon clips from other makers now. Just accept that the Taurus stellar clips are going to be a problem. For people who just want a 9mm revolver(not a snubbie) CzechPoint USA will be importing the 3" Alfa Proj revolvers in September - the 9231:

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/revolvers/9-mm-luger/czechpoint-9231-9mm-para/

 

[David E]

Let me first say that I'm not a revolver guy, and my use of them is fairly limited. But I'm thinking of buying one for carry.

For ME, if I'm going to carry a revolver for defense, there's going to be a better reason than the novelty of it.

Maybe because it'll fit or work where a semiauto would not.

Maybe because it'll hit harder.

Maybe because I shoot them better.

Maybe I prefer the reliability of the revolver.

But I won't carry one because its "quaint," "retro," or because I think it'd "be cool."

Further, I won't carry one that's as big and heavy as a better caliber if I can shoot the better caliber just as well. (IE; 9mm vs .357)

And I will make sure I'm proficient in all aspects of the revolver before carrying one for defense.

But that's just ME and this isn't my thread.

 

[tnelson31]

I keep track of 9mm revolver threads because I love revolvers and I want one in 9mm.

The threads seem to always bring up the same points and the market always seems reflect the reality of what is brought up. (The same thing happens, in a lesser degree, in 9mm 1911 threads.)

At some point the 'it's a bad idea' replies take away from the goal, which is finding a 9mm revolver to shoot. But man are they rare and always with some compromise, beyond the caliber.

 

[WC145]

Benzino-you mentioned J frame holsters and the 905. What specific holsters are you using?

Will it use J frame grips?

The standard 905 will fit in any j-frame holster. The grips are not the same, though.

 

[David E]

The standard 905 will fit in any LEATHER j-frame holster. The grips are not the same, though.

Fixed it for you. Most Kydex holsters for the J-frame won't work.

 

[WC145]

Thanks, didn't think of that, I carry my revolvers in leather.

 

[smalls]

But that's just ME and this isn't my thread.

Correct! I get it, you wouldn't carry one. But I've politely asked you to drop it three times, now. All I'm interested in is info on 9mm snubbies.

The standard 905 will fit in any j-frame holster. The grips are not the same, though.

This is good to hear. All I use is leather, so it not fitting in kydex isn't a concern.

As leary as I am of Taurus, I've only hear good things about the 905 - the "stellar" clips are another matter, but you can buy moon clips from other makers now.

Yeah, I've read that the aftermarket clips are the way to go. They seem cheap enough, do I'll be sure to pick up lots of extras.

Dprice, thanks for the link. I'm in the process of selling another fun to fund this one, so hopefully I can get it sold before that suction ends, and the bidding doesn't get crazy.

 

[David E]

I get it, you wouldn't carry one.

I didn't say that, specifically. I did say I wouldn't carry one for a silly reason or without the skill to use one well.

All I'm interested in is info on 9mm snubbies.

One option would be to buy whatever .38 or .357 snubby you like and have it converted to a moon-clipped 9mm by www.tkcustom.com. You get exactly what you want at possibly less money than a pristine 940

 

[bdb benzino]

You still have a bulky carrier compared to a speed strip. Del Fatti wants $80 for his and isn't currently taking orders.

I'm still not sure we are talking about the same thing, and the ones I ordered were $30 a piece. I will have to post a pic, I have here before if you search my threads. The loaded moonclip carriers I purchased are for 5 shot 9mm revolvers like the Taurus 905 and S&W 940. All they consist of is a small piece of kydex that looks like a flat bowl just big enough around for the loaded clip to fit snugly in, and in the middle is a bolt covered in rubber that you can loosen or tighten depending on how tight you want your rounds to be in it.

Here is a link for a pic!

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4674424439832834&pid=1.7&w=233&h=188&c=7&rs=1