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I use a A.E. Nelson leather IWB for a J frame as well as a Blackhawk CQC Leather OWB holster also for a S&W J frame. You do have to look for Taurus specific aftermarket grips though, hope this helps.
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I use a A.E. Nelson leather IWB for a J frame as well as a Blackhawk CQC Leather OWB holster also for a S&W J frame. You do have to look for Taurus specific aftermarket grips though, hope this helps.
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Depending on how much I spend on a revolver, though. Their package with moon clips is $350. I don't think that included shipping.
Tremendously, thank you for the info. Do you know if the grips are the same as any of their other models?
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We were not. I was talking about the actual carrier that snaps onto a belt. I saw the holder you refer to, but its designed to be carried in a pocket. You set the tension in the cartridges, but too loose, it'll come out in the pocket. Too tight, it'll be harder to get the moonclip free. I don't see that making for a fast reload at all, once you factor in fishing time and removing the bowl from the cartridges. Compare that to a speed strip in the watch pocket where it can be quickly plucked out and be used immediately.
Remember, the revolver is "loaded" even if you only have 1-2 live rounds in the cylinder. If something needs to be shot before you complete the speed strip reload, close the cylinder and shoot! (Practice would address proper cylinder indexing concerns) I would carry a speed strip AND a speed loader, myself, but not loose in a pocket.
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The machining is $275. I thought you found another source for clips.
At any rate, you could have exactly what you want.
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Maybe I'm missing something - I'll admit I skimmed the posts here but didn't read all of them in 100% detail.
I thought the whole point of the .38spl/9mm was that they were basically identically performing cartridges in their respective gun types, with all the extra powder in a .38 (or +P for snubbies) only being there to account for the lack of gas seal inherent to revolvers. Wouldn't putting a 9mm in a revolver cause a lot of your pressure/power to bleed off out of the cylinder, cutting performance substantially over even that of a short-barreled G26?
I thought the whole point of the .38spl/9mm was that they were basically identically performing cartridges in their respective gun types, with all the extra powder in a .38 (or +P for snubbies) only being there to account for the lack of gas seal inherent to revolvers. Wouldn't putting a 9mm in a revolver cause a lot of your pressure/power to bleed off out of the cylinder, cutting performance substantially over even that of a short-barreled G26?
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You're missing something. The .38 Special was originally loaded with black powder, requiring the longer case.
The 9mm was originally smokeless powder and is very efficient for the size.
Never, ever heard your theory regarding the "more powder to compensate for the flash gap".....
In fact, going to "Ballistics by the Inch" site, I found they have a new section regarding velocity loss due to flash gap. A .006 gap loses 40 fps to a zero flash gap. (2" barrel, Corbon 125 grain JHP load)
I'm not going to worry a whole lot about the velocity loss caused by the flash gap.
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I figured you had to buy the whole package.
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No. You can piece it out.
If you check back to my post on page 1 you'll see that I carry a custom S&W 360J that has been converted to 9mm by Pinnacle. It uses the readily available 940 moonclips and, in addition to 9mm, it will also shoot .38 Super, 356TSW, 9mm Largo, .38ACP, among others. Great gun and money well spent.
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What did Pinnacle charge for the machining?
This may be an option for me if I can find a cheap enough usef J frame. But I think to buy a brand new one, then send it out may be more than I want to spend right now. Especially if I can find a 905 for >$400.
This may be an option for me if I can find a cheap enough usef J frame. But I think to buy a brand new one, then send it out may be more than I want to spend right now. Especially if I can find a 905 for >$400.
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I have every confidence you can find one for greater than $400
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I had a 940 early on. Fun to shoot, quick to load. Then I tried some CorBon +P. Locked it up tighter than Dick's hatband. I'm happy with a 649 now.
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Meant less than. Stupid iPhone and its tiny screen.
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David - thanks for the info. I guess I just always assumed that extra flash and gas coming from the cylinder caused a much greater energy loss than it really does
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The curse of a tapered case in a revolver! This is why the .22 Jet didn't take off (.357 magnum necked down to .22)
Smalls, if you get one, be sure and test your loads thoroughly.
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I will be, for sure. I usually run ~100 rounds of my carry ammo through my guns before carrying.
And I won't be putting any +P's through it. Correct me if im wrong, but doesnr 9mm need a 4 inch barrel to burn all the powder?
Gold Dot offers their short barrel load in 147 grain. I'd like to start with that.
And I won't be putting any +P's through it. Correct me if im wrong, but doesnr 9mm need a 4 inch barrel to burn all the powder?
Gold Dot offers their short barrel load in 147 grain. I'd like to start with that.
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It needs a barrel longer than 4" to burn all the powder. That's why carbine velocities are higher than handgun velocities.
Even a .22 LR needs 14"-18" to burn all the powder. After that, the bullet is coasting and actually slows down.
But even tho all the powder won't burn with a +P round, that doesn't mean the bullet will not go faster than a standard load. The .357 from a snubby bears that out.
I'd consider all loads and pick the best one, even if its +P, providing it functioned 100%.
Even a .22 LR needs 14"-18" to burn all the powder. After that, the bullet is coasting and actually slows down.
But even tho all the powder won't burn with a +P round, that doesn't mean the bullet will not go faster than a standard load. The .357 from a snubby bears that out.
I'd consider all loads and pick the best one, even if its +P, providing it functioned 100%.
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I'm not against using it, but I didn't really see the point. Maybe I will give +P a try, then. It'd be nice to be able to use the same carry ammo I already use (pdx1 124 +p), and have a few boxes in my stash.
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Been lurking on this one in the hopes of learning something.
Reading about the ammo carriers and such got me wondering.....
Will a loaded five shot 9x19 full moon fit in an old 35 mm film canister?
For a bit when I first got a five shot .38 SPL I carried a reload loose in one and am just curious (no it did not work as well as a speed loader, but was more convinent than a speed strip in the pocket and as fast.)
I was also wondering if as these 9x19 mm revolvers utilize a moon clip which I assume must tend to act as a headspace area like the rim of a cartridge if it might be possible, in a bad situation, to load .380 in the clips and shoot it through the revolver. Also will the old 9mm Federal Rimmed ( auto rim for little guys) work in them without the clips, if one happened to have some laying about?
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Reading about the ammo carriers and such got me wondering.....
Will a loaded five shot 9x19 full moon fit in an old 35 mm film canister?
For a bit when I first got a five shot .38 SPL I carried a reload loose in one and am just curious (no it did not work as well as a speed loader, but was more convinent than a speed strip in the pocket and as fast.)
I was also wondering if as these 9x19 mm revolvers utilize a moon clip which I assume must tend to act as a headspace area like the rim of a cartridge if it might be possible, in a bad situation, to load .380 in the clips and shoot it through the revolver. Also will the old 9mm Federal Rimmed ( auto rim for little guys) work in them without the clips, if one happened to have some laying about?
-kBob
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From what I've been reading, that's what everyone was carrying a reload in before they made carriers for it. Or a pill bottle.
$225 - check the website www.pinnacle-guns.com
I've been reading this thread with some interest and would like to suggest that if I were going to buy a J-frame for conversion to 9mm, I would buy a J-frame that is chambered in .357 rather than .38 Special +P for the simple reason that the SAAMI standard for .357 and 9mm is an identical 35,000 psi, and if one wants to shoot 9mm +P, pressures of up to 38,500 psi could be encountered. I would not want to trust just any J-frame designed to fire cartridges of no more than 20,000 psi or even 18,500 psi for that conversion.
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With all due respect, this tells me more practice was needed with a speed strip.
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