Wow! This has been one long thread to get through. Interesting though. Living in New York State let me say that I wish I were in Virginia. The laws here have become more draconian in incremental steps. Gun registration in NYC started in 1968 and was to be an aid to police. Now the laws are so restrictive that owning is expensive and difficult. Carry of any sort in NYC is forbidden.(Unless you are wealthy or well connected.) My .02 cents. Don't give in on any right! They will take more rights away from you as time goes on if you allow them. I truly admire the efforts of VCDL. The rights of gun owners have been protected in this case. Look what happened to mvpel in New Hampshire. If open carry is legal then it is legal. If you choose to open carry then do so! We cannot back down or they will be all over us like stink on a bear. Here in New York we have to beg for our rights. A judge can deny you for any reason. Think not? Go appeal their decision and see how far you get. New Jersey, California, New York, and Maryland are prime examples of what can happen if we do not organize and fight for our rights. I envy all of you who live in "free" America! Here in New York we fight a forlorn hope I fear! Never surrender! Never retreat! p.s. I mean no disrespect to those fine rights groups fighting in the aforementioned states!