dude, he was being sarcastic. Thats why it was funny.
A little Ammo Justice!
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Certaindeaf
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Dang, you probably deprived some penthouse living, cigar chewing fatcat in NYC from getting his pate stained hands on some internet ammo! How dare you!
JRH6856
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Everyone is a capitalist until the run out of capital. 
Jlr2267
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Pretty sure he was saying the *sarcasm* is what "went over the heads"
Texan Scott
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Hmmm... read The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck.
I will point out that I am actually HAPPY for the OP, and GLAD he stuck it to some flippers. I'm just evil (honestly pragmatic) enough to separate "hooray for our side" from any pretense of moral superiority.
Sometimes everyone claims a "right". Sometimes everyone thinks the other guy is "wrong". Sometimes we do what we want because we can, and wouldn't know Jeebus from Beezus if either one tried to talk us out of it. The military taught me that, just not on purpose.
Good, Bad? I'm the guy with the gun. (Ash, Army of Darkness, anyone?).
Okay. Hurray for our side! Happy shooting
I will point out that I am actually HAPPY for the OP, and GLAD he stuck it to some flippers. I'm just evil (honestly pragmatic) enough to separate "hooray for our side" from any pretense of moral superiority.
Sometimes everyone claims a "right". Sometimes everyone thinks the other guy is "wrong". Sometimes we do what we want because we can, and wouldn't know Jeebus from Beezus if either one tried to talk us out of it. The military taught me that, just not on purpose.
Good, Bad? I'm the guy with the gun. (Ash, Army of Darkness, anyone?).
Okay. Hurray for our side! Happy shooting
Comrade Mike
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Well I hope the lesson we've learned from this is "buy cheap and stack deep" in non crisis times. Between my father and I, we can shoot through the summer and not have to buy ammo.
Contradiction of the day.
Maybe it is time for me to just let this go and hope someone, anyone, who has read my posts on this and a few other threads have a better understanding of what is happening and why. I will try to stay away.
hey everyone, what do you think is a fair profit margin? What profit margin is gouging? Does that percentage change if the person or store sells less product? Have you run a business and see how this applies? How does that compare to other new items you have bought? Cars or jewelry? Electronics?
What are your thoughts on the following: 30% profit off 10 boxes of ammo is different than 20% off three hundred boxes of ammo. One makes more money but may not be gouging but the other makes less money, but could be called by some gouging. Even 50% markup off 10 boxes of ammo means that store is going out of business. Should stores rise their prices when supply is low to maintain profit since they are selling less so they don't go out of business?
Do the walmart resellers provide a valuable service? Would it better if they bought the ammo and stored it in their basement? Is that better or worse than reselling for double the price? It is the same result for the other buyers who can not get ammo.
What are your thoughts on the following: 30% profit off 10 boxes of ammo is different than 20% off three hundred boxes of ammo. One makes more money but may not be gouging but the other makes less money, but could be called by some gouging. Even 50% markup off 10 boxes of ammo means that store is going out of business. Should stores rise their prices when supply is low to maintain profit since they are selling less so they don't go out of business?
Do the walmart resellers provide a valuable service? Would it better if they bought the ammo and stored it in their basement? Is that better or worse than reselling for double the price? It is the same result for the other buyers who can not get ammo.
Impureclient
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No, it would be better if somehow one round cooked off in their car igniting the rest and blew their car up due to the vast amount of boxes of ammo they just picked up at 4 AM to sell at exorbitant prices. Nobody inside of course, that is going too far.
Great question. I would like to hear an answer to that as well. What is a fair margin? To add to that, what is a fair loss? At what point, since we the consumers seem to want to hold them to a specific profit, should we the consumers be required to purchase items at a certain loss?
Texan Scott
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Those who would trade their right to more than 16oz of soda, for the promise of a steady supply of reasonably priced 22lr, deserve neither and will have neither.
(Sorry, Ben!)
(Sorry, Ben!)
JVaughn
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Great job blocking the horde! If I didn't work for a living, I'd go block ours everyday. I know Sam and a few others support the "free market" reselling is capitalism idea, but these people are the problem. I don't want the government to stop them; but I sure wish they would go away, glad they got shutout for once.
Impureclient
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What is a fair margin? How about at a point that you would sell to your own family and not feel like a pile of you know what.
That question is really irrelevant in this topic though. This is not running a day to day business that you use as a means of living, this is profiteering.
Profiteer: one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency by methods considered unethical.
Key words Unreasonable and Unethical.
That question is really irrelevant in this topic though. This is not running a day to day business that you use as a means of living, this is profiteering.
Profiteer: one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency by methods considered unethical.
Key words Unreasonable and Unethical.
Sam1911
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The only UNFAIR profit is one in which someone is misrepresenting the commodity being exchanged.
As long as the buyer knows what s/he is getting and the seller is comfortable with the quantity and form of payment -- and both are transacting of their own free will -- what transacts between them is their business alone.
By that rationale, a painting you made yourself on a piece of plywood you found by the road, using $2.87 worth of paint, a pretty rock someone picked up lying in a stream bed, and/or a box of .22s you bought for $15, might all be fairly exchanged for $1, or $5,000, or $50,000,000 -- depending on what they're willing to part with it for, and what someone else is willing to pay you for them.
"What's a FAIR profit?" That's kind of like asking "What does happy smell like?" The question has no meaning whatsoever, except for vague, ephemeral, and usually conflicting associations each of us might drape upon them.
As long as the buyer knows what s/he is getting and the seller is comfortable with the quantity and form of payment -- and both are transacting of their own free will -- what transacts between them is their business alone.
By that rationale, a painting you made yourself on a piece of plywood you found by the road, using $2.87 worth of paint, a pretty rock someone picked up lying in a stream bed, and/or a box of .22s you bought for $15, might all be fairly exchanged for $1, or $5,000, or $50,000,000 -- depending on what they're willing to part with it for, and what someone else is willing to pay you for them.
"What's a FAIR profit?" That's kind of like asking "What does happy smell like?" The question has no meaning whatsoever, except for vague, ephemeral, and usually conflicting associations each of us might drape upon them.
danez71
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Nope.
How do you figure it is irrelevant? At some point, apparently when you would feel like <deleted> selling it at hat price to your family, you cross the line. Everyone on this damn threads keep complaining about gouging. Now you say it is when they become a profiteer. That is defined by UNREASONABLE and UNETHICAL. Well who defines that?
You liberals drive me nuts. If your going to accuse them of price gouging at least show them the line you expect them not to cross.
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Sam1911
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And those words have no possible literal meaning when discussing the relative value of a (still quite inexpensive, in absolute dollars) luxury purchase (like another brick of .22 ammo in 2013 America).
This Renoire ...
... sold last week for over $56,000.
THAT is clearly UNREASONABLE and UNETHICAL.
But it happened. Someone should be lynched! Where's a Marxist lynch mob when you need one!?!
Impureclient
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Sam, So when the tornadoes ripped through Oklahoma and somebody buys up all the bottled water supply and sells it for triple to newly homeless folks, is that profiteering?
Well if I needed water or I would die, I guess any price is "comfortable".
Well if I needed water or I would die, I guess any price is "comfortable".
JVaughn
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Sam, out of curiosity, just for the sake of argument... If a person has no ammo, I mean not 1 cartridge, would an ammo purchase still be a luxury item? Do you think any quantity of ammo is a necessity or is it all luxury?
Not until this nonsense about price gouging stops.
Impureclient
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I will pray with Sniper66 and maybe everybody else can jump in and ask for help from the big guy. Just more ammo though, no praying for something bad to happen to the gougers. At least not them personally, the car blowing up thing is OK.
I would love to give my take on that because I think it is an excellent question. But, since you asked Sam, I will wait for a few minutes.
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