A new Walther P99?

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I've noticed the newer versions of the P99 look different compared to the black P99. The desert color P99 has a different frame on it, if I remember correctly, and so I was wondering if the black model is going to stay as is or if it's going to be changed soon.

Personally, I think the black model looks great, and I don't want it to change, as I might want to buy one as my CCW, and I don't want some ugly piece of junk on my hip. :p

As a side note, what is the general consensus on the P99? I've actually heard a lot of bad things about the PPK models, so I'm a little weary of Walther now. :( Anyone have any experience with the P99?
 
The P99 received some minor design changes in 2004 with a new rail type, a bit different serrations on the slide, etc. They're quite reliable and easily the peer of glocks, sigs, hk's and the like.
 
There was a frame change in 2004, and then another slight change in 2005.

ALL colors of the P99 since then have this new frame change. And, they come in black, tan and OD GReen. However, the A/S model only comes in black since 2004. The tan and green models are QA versions.

What you are referring to is the old style frame - which was stopped after 2003. It has nothing to do with the color. They used to make a green P(9 with the old frame.
 
Boo. :( I liked the old style frame so much better. I think the new frame looks...horrific. Oh well. :p

Thanks for the replies.
 
Rob87,
I'm sure you will be able to find a "old - new stock" P99 in the market somewhere. They haven't been out of manufacture so long that they will be all dried up.
 
Probably. :)

So all of the new P99's look like this?

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Walther should update their website. They still show the black model as having the non-rounded trigger guard.
 
I've actually heard a lot of bad things about the PPK models
I'd compare it to the 1911 in that respect. Very old design, some have issues.

The P99s - especially the 9mm models - have an excellent reputation. Speaking from personal experience, they fill the hand nicely.
 
So all of the new P99's look like this?
2005 and later models have a longer magazine release and AS models have a decocker thats about 2x as long. The .40 version also has a thicker slide in the rail area. Pictured is the 9mm version.
 
Is the trigger guard now rounded like in the photo I posted? Or is it...the...other way? I don't know how to describe it.

Googling photos isn't giving me much. All the black P99's I see are not like the desert model I posted a picture of.

Edit: Geronimo, can you elaborate on what you mean about how you compare it to the 1911? I thought the 1911 had a great reputation. I'm just confused as to whether the PPK is known to be a problematic piece of junk, which is the impression I got from thefiringline, or if it's a good pistol and I just found all the people who hate it. :p
 
Look at post #13 on this thread:

http://www.handgunforum.net/showthread.php?t=5728

I have pics of all 3 versions.

Sorry- I prefer the new frame and new slide to the old. I have seen new pre-2004 P99s before. ANd, I passed them up. I like the new style. And, the newest - with the lonest mag release lever. It looks a bit strange compared to the older style. But after U have one for a while - that extended mag release is sweet :)

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Ditto here. The aesthetics of the current version of the P99 are, in my opinion, more pleasing to the eye than that of the previous version. Here's mine, a 40S&W P99AS that was minted in 2005:

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I also prefer the looks of the 40S&W version over those of the 9mm variant, as the former's slide lacks the visually jarring narrowing of the slide towards the front.
 
Which of the new versions is closest to the original da/sa ? I had one of those and loved, and have always wanted to replace it, but I've not shot one of the new actions. I'm guessing from reading that's its the AS ?
 
I don't know, I just don't like the rounded trigger guard. It looks fine in those pictures, so maybe the pictures I've seen weren't of the "finished" product.

Is there any difference between the S&W and Walther models? What is the general consensus on P99's? Like I said before, thefiringline's forums had a thread where a lot of people really hated their PPK's. Is this true of Walther or is it just a problem with one model?
 
The Walther P99 is nothing like the PPK. This gun would be better compared to a GLOCK, HK, or sig pro than the PPK.

Also, the S&W version is just as good as the P99, in my experience. A lot of people will call it inferior, but then most of them probably haven't fired one, or either of them. The S&W and Walther use the same frames, with minor visual changes (both were made by Walther).

Furthermore, the S&W slides on the P99 .40s made back in 2000 are just as good as those made by Walther. It has been suggested that the S&W slides might even be better, due to the metals used, and the finish.

The only P99 I dislike is the P990 DAO. The trigger is annoying.
 
Edit: Geronimo, can you elaborate on what you mean about how you compare it to the 1911? I thought the 1911 had a great reputation. I'm just confused as to whether the PPK is known to be a problematic piece of junk, which is the impression I got from thefiringline, or if it's a good pistol and I just found all the people who hate it. :p

Both are good pistols. The 1911's a great pistol, as a matter of fact. A lot of thought went into it, and I reckon it's superior to the PPK as a combat weapon - not just because of caliber, but because of the simplicity of the design.

The PPK doesn't have the 'religious' fervor for it that the 1911 has - after all, the 1911 was in two World Wars, and it's in .45. And Jeff Cooper liked it. The PPK is sometimes seen as an overly large gun for such a small caliber - compared with the mini-mouseguns they've come out with lately. It's more popular to bash the PPK than it is to bash the 1911 (except, I suppose, on Glocktalk). People who've never shot a 1911 will praise it, 'cause they used it in Call of Duty or Medal of Honor. It's popular to like that gun. People who hate 1911s and say so usually don't get high on the popularity lists. It's fashionable to diss mouseguns.

I think the PPK's a bit more popular for those that want to go out and buy a pistol for defense and don't know much about 'em... they don't strip and clean the gun and magazines before they fire it. May buy the cheapest ammo available - which could be out of spec. They could buy old magazines that are warped, have weak springs, bent followers... since a heck of a lot of autoloader problems come from lousy mags. May not clean the gun after firing - just stow it away in a sock drawer, or in a pocket. Not sure if .380 HPs have a noticeably different OAL than FMJ rounds... that could cause problems.

The 1911's got military history and gunwriters behind it. All the PPK's got is James Bond - and he switched to the P99.

The PPK's a good gun, generally speaking. It usually works - but it's got an undeseveredly bad reputation, in my opinion. It may be the fault of magazines or overzealous greasing of the gun in the factory. Or a poorly-constructed feed ramp - I don't know.
If you buy one, seems like a S&W model would be best. They apparently stand behind their product, and fix it if it don't work right.

The 1911 - yes, it's a good gun. Generally speaking, it's great. In certain cases, it's terrible. The biggest problem with taking its reputation for granted is people who shoot it very rarely and sing its praises - a hundred rounds over the course of several months isn't a torture test. Seems that .380 ammo is generally cheaper, so people will shoot it more - thus they will notice jams more regularly in a .380 than a .45. And it could be 'limp wristing.'

I think the 1911's a fine pistol. I think the PPK's a fine pistol. They both have issues from time to time. I reckon that smaller guns require smaller margins of error than larger guns do - another possible problem area for manufacturing.

The 1911 is likely superior to the PPK, however - not just in caliber power/size, but in simplicity.
 
Great post. :) I know what you mean about it being favorable to like the 1911. I've honestly never met someone who didn't like it.

I guess the question I really had about the PPK refers more to its reputation when you exclude human error by the operator, and the occasional defect from the manufacturer. It's impossible to create a perfect firearm that will never break. When I say the PPK bashing at thefiringline, I didn't know how many of those stories were due to errors by the owner, or if the gun really just sucks.

Slightly off-topic: Is the Sig P232 a PPK knock-off? They look similar, but I don't know if they both follow the same "design."
 
When I say the PPK bashing at thefiringline, I didn't know how many of those stories were due to errors by the owner, or if the gun really just sucks.
If the gun was as bad as some people want to make it out to be, it wouldn'tve been made for more than 50 years, regardless of James Bond.
There's an old saw that somebody with a good experience with a product may tell three people - but somebody with a bad experience will tell a dozen or more.

The Sig 232 is, IIRC, more along the lines of the earlier model of the PPK - the Walther PP. It's longer, but seems to have a better reputation. Natural, really - seeing as it hasn't been offered for nearly as long, by as many different manufacturers.

So yes, the Sig 232's similar to the PPK... not an exact copy, but the basics are pretty similar - both are DA/SA, blowback-operated semi-auto handguns with 7 round capacity in .380.
It may be manufactured more carefully/closer to spec than the PPK is/has been. I don't know for sure - but I expect that it might be.
I think the Sig is closer to the Mauser HSc than it is to the Walther - but it's also a half-inch longer than the Walther is.

The Walther PPK started the whole trend for DA/SA, blowback-operated pocket-sized pistols. Since there's not much complexity in the design, it looks as if everybody copied it. The Makarov, CZ 50/70, Astra Constable, and a lot of other guns are made in the same general mold as the PPK.
 
This might just be my OCD, but I tend to dislike something that was made to be a "knock-off" of another company's product. So, that means I'd be more likely to go with the "original" maker of a product and not go with another company's.

So, for example, I'd rather have a Colt 1911 than a Kimber, or a S&W, or a Sig 1911. Same goes for the PPK vs. the 232.

Do you think Sig copied the PPK or is it just the simplicity of the design, like you said?
 
The only problem I have with the new P99 is the trigger.
Is there a cure?
If you are referring to lightening the trigger pull, this thread on WaltherForums.com might be of interest to you.

I replaced the stock striker spring in my P99 AS with a Wolff 4 lb. striker spring intended for the Glock (as suggested in the thread) and it made a world of difference by significantly lightening both the DA and SA trigger pulls. The SA pull was brought down to a nice, crisp 3.5 lbs. and I have yet to experience any light primer strikes with the 4 lb. spring.
 
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