a police officers office inside each school

[jason41987]

i read some of the petitions released in order to curb these events that have been highly publicized, and i do not think arming every teacher is a good idea at all, but i do think our students and children deserve protection

my proposal is to use an office inside the school itself to be used as the office of a law enforcement officer to do his office and paperwork remotely... this would allow one law enforcement officer per school to be on grounds at all time, performing his normal duties but being close by in the event he is needed.... then we dont have to arm teachers, or hire security, we can simply let the police be closer

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...s-office-inside-building-each-school/mF93Jz91

 

[VVelox]

For areas that have gang problems, I could see this being a good thing, but in generally no. The reason for this is these events are rare.

As such I don't see it being worth the expenditure to save this few lives when there are vastly more important causes of death in this country.

 

[VVelox]

In regards to Whitehouse petitions, I really stopped carrying about them. The reason for this is the Obama will respond to it how ever he wishes and they have no real power.

If you want to see why they are laughable, look up his response to the pot legalization one from like three years ago.

 

[jason41987]

thats most likely tro vvelox considering all the petitions with tens of thousands to federally legalize and tax marijuana which have been entirely ignored.. but its the first step, a formality towards doing the right thing

i also put my signature down for the petition to dissolve the current anti-gun petitions on there asking to ban anything military related.. as well as signed the petition for federal conceal carry... doesnt hurt to try things the proper way first

 

[bikerdoc]

Think Israeli model.

 

[JVaughn]

Why not arm the teachers? I agree they shouldn't all be armed if they don't choose to be or aren't qualified (by their own determination.) They should all have been vetted through whatever background check system is in place, they are after all have care and custody of our children. I say if they wish to be armed, let them be armed. One of the teachers where I went to high school was a Navy Seal in his former career, suppose he might have been handy on Friday with a gun?

I am not opposed to the presence of an armed security guard either, police or private - whichever makes more sense in each school district.

 

[VVelox]

jason41987, what I am saying is he will respond with what ever his preconceived notion is.

My thought is it is more useful to encourage people to approach their congress critter about something than rely on the president to bring it to the congress critter.

 

[VAPOPO]

Going away from current policies of locking the schools down would do more for survival rates for the kids involved in these active threat scenarios than an armed officer on the premesis. Lots of schools and other public buildings are still operating on pre columbine policies, this is starting to change but as seen last week not fast enough. All locking the schools down does is give the perp massed, trapped and helpless targets. Law enforcement response tactics are starting to change too. Most of these sleeze balls this one included cap themselves as soon as a police presence is felt either through sirens approaching or officers seen moving onto the grounds. Better mental health services and a return of assylums wouldnt hurt either. Most city budgets wont allow for the extra manpower anyway unless forced by the population.

 

[ccsniper]

Where I am from almost every school has what is called a SRO or school resource officer. I am actually a much bigger fan of allowing any teacher who is willing to carry in school to do so, provided they can prove efficient with their carry gun and provide a certificate that they have obtained training. I want that because you may get a young teacher that thinks just having a gun is sufficient, when we all know proper training makes a world of difference.

 

[jason41987]

im not sure i like the idea of teachers carrying.. for liability reasons.. police officers are already trained not in carrying, but in police tactics, and procedures, and should an armed person on premises actually be needed no one could ever bring up an issue of gun control as it would be an officer and not a private citizen handling it

 

[IlikeSA]

While I agree with the idea wholeheartedly, how do you propose to differentiate a faculty member from an active shooter?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

We have had local experience with school resource officers, as armed school guards are known. They are usually training for full-time deputy service.

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9025899
Rain Smith, "Police officers kill gunman at Sullivan Central", Kingsport Times-News, 30 Aug 2010.

Suspect Gowan entered school with two loaded guns; angry and irate, he threatened the school principal with a gun. The school resource officer, Carolyn Gudger, drew her gun and engaged Cowan in a standoff, allowing the principal to escape. Cowan demanded her to give him her gun and tell him where the fire alarm was. (Fire alarm, hallways full of kids, a nut with his and her gun? No way! Gudger kept her gun on him.) With him following she backed into an empty pod; within two minutes two police entered the school in response and converged on the pod. (Sheriff's department has drilled on this; rapid response reduces body count.) They ordered Cowan to drop his gun, he pointed his gun at them, when he swung his gun back toward Gudger, they fired and killed him near the entrance to the school library where several students were in hiding.

As routine where I live, the state bureau of investigation did a shooting review and presented results to the grand jury; the shooting was deemed justifiable.

One problem I see is that schools are publicized as being zones free of any legally permitted, legally carried guns.

 

[jason41987]

most of these that you speak of are for highschools almost exclusively, more gang activity, drugs, and other incidents happen there.. i find most police that do happen to be in schools now are there to monitor the students... but the younger ones in gradeschool need protection too

 

[HankB]

IIRC, a school system in California was working to get police on every campus . . . but they wanted the police disarmed as well! Needless, to say, this didn't go over very well with the police. There seems to be an institutional inability in our schools to distinguish between good guys and bad guys, perhaps because of the "nonjudgemental" platitudes so endlessly repeated by liberal/lefty "thinkers" these days.

So as a consequence, they continue to support the concept of schools a "victim disarmament zones" . . . they'll use the excuse that having an armed guard (or an armed teacher with a concealed carry license) is no guarantee that a bad guy will be stopped, so they insist on rendering the potential victims helpless, thus guaranteeing that any bad guy will have free reign. :banghead:

 

[bikerdoc]

Other side of the coin.

Why are we thinking reactive? Police, armed teachers, all good ideas.
But how about being proactive and getting to the root cause of this kind of violence, seriously disturbed young men, known to the system, about whom nothing is done.

 

[hso]

This isn't an RKBA idea, it is a "how do we protect the children" idea.

It also isn't needed. The fact that this horrific event has happened doesn't mean that it will happen any time soon. This is a, thank God, rare event. The horror of it is what drives us to think that there's something that could have been done to prevent it and therefore that there's something that we need to do from preventing it.

You want to put 98,000+ police officers into grade schools across the country because of 1 madman murdering 26 innocents. Where will these officers come from when communities have been laying them off because of crashing budgets. Is the suggested roughly $4 billion annual expense best spent this way for a catastrophe so rare?

It will seem to be cold and calculating to some to weight the cost agains the benefit of these measure people keep suggesting while we're still in shock from envisioning our own children facing the horror in CT, but we need to look at all the factors in doing these things and weigh them against how often these events happen in a population of 314 million.

 

[Old Shooter]

It's the citizens tax dollars that pay the salary for the police officers. So why not assign one officer per school day to park their cruiser at the front door of the school and let them have an office or whatever just to let them spend the entire day at that school?

So what if we shut down one of the radar speed traps or a "bait car" set up?

It looks like a lot of officers will be freed up from our failing war on Mary Jane anyway so let's focus their efforts on something more important.

As to the cost benefit, How may 6 year olds would have to die before it became worth the cost? One or two a year? Mayby a few more?

The teachers should be left to teaching without worrying about being part of an armed response to homicidal maniacs.

We have trained, armed police officers whose primary job should be to protect the teachers and the children.

Just my own humble opinion.

 

[M-Cameron]

i dont disagree with a police officer(s) on duty at a highschool....so long as they take it seriously.

i remember my highschool, we had a full time on duty police officer.....and to put it lightly, i think they got the 'highschool duty' for a reason...

frankly, i can name half a dozen teachers off the bat who i wouldve trusted with my safety in the event of a shooter scenario more than that officer.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Wouldn't do a lot of good to many current schools, but there might be some building design solutions. More exits in the school, even ones that lead directly from classrooms to the outdoors. Perhaps have them electronically locked but where they could all be released by some central command, maybe tied to the alarm system. Upgrade school fire alarms to include different types of warnings than just fires. Maybe even have alarm controls similar to fire alarm switches, but that make the call to police departments instead of for fire emergencies.

 

[hso]

The presence of an officer is intended to be a deterrent to an attack on a school.

It is more of a placebo for the public than a cure for the root cause of these mentally ill young men be amongst us, but placebos do have a beneficial effect at times and this may as well. Let's not pretend amongst ourselves that is probably the case.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

All the schools in my county have a deputy(SRO)stationed on site during school hours.

 

[smalls]

It is more of a placebo for the public

I agree. We had a school officer when I was in high school. I also attended a fairly large school. He was fairly good at patrolling the school, but there's no way he could have gotten from one end of the school to the next before someone could have done some real damage. Especially in between classes while the halls were filled with students.

Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing him armed, either. Good guy, but just a "feel good" solution.

 

[1911 guy]

The problem is two-fold. First, wee ignore the violently crazy until they do something like this and secondly, we give them prime places to do these things. Schools should not be gun free zones. They should be "if anyone harms these kids, it will be after they have setepped over my body and waded through a pile of hot brass" zones.

 

[feedthehogs]

Over 300 kids will die in drunk driving accidents this year. Do we put a cop in everyone's car?

What makes the kids at the school anymore important other than more than a couple were killed at once and a child killed by a drunk driver doesn't drive the media machine for advertising dollars and allow a weeks worth of empty heads to spew forth their garbage.

Stop buying any of the red herring bull.

 

[AnthonyRSS]

This isn't an RKBA idea, it is a "how do we protect the children" idea.

It also isn't needed. The fact that this horrific event has happened doesn't mean that it will happen any time soon. This is a, thank God, rare event. The horror of it is what drives us to think that there's something that could have been done to prevent it and therefore that there's something that we need to do from preventing it.

You want to put 98,000+ police officers into grade schools across the country because of 1 madman murdering 26 innocents. Where will these officers come from when communities have been laying them off because of crashing budgets. Is the suggested roughly $4 billion annual expense best spent this way for a catastrophe so rare?

It will seem to be cold and calculating to some to weight the cost agains the benefit of these measure people keep suggesting while we're still in shock from envisioning our own children facing the horror in CT, but we need to look at all the factors in doing these things and weigh them against how often these events happen in a population of 314 million.

This is what I have been trying to tell people. School shootings, while tragic, are statistically insignificant.