i will never eat at pizza hut again

[revjen45]

When it's pizza time in the Revjen45 (yes- that's my Christian name on my birth certificate ) household we go for Papa Murphy's for moa (that's aerospace terminology for Make on Assembly) pizza or Boboli's if we want to fabricate and assemble involving more effort on out part. Pizza hut can pound sand (another highly technical aerospace term) whether they let their peons pack or not.

 

[Eric F]

This thread has already been around but with that said........

Man Cow Muller a Chicago pro gun morning radio host has already gotten Mr. Spires a new job with a sandwich delivery shop in the same area he was already working. He is now making more money than before and his legal bills are being covered through another hook up that The Man Cow has lined him up with. I heard this myself on the radio as it happened.

 

[romma]

No one authorizes carrying a firearm and never will.

Hmm, Maybe we can have publicly delivered pizza by the police, since pizza delivery work is so dangerous...

I could track my delivery by scanner..

 

[Zedicus]

HOWEVER, I think the policy is foolish, misguided and harmful -- which is the gist I want I said to the P.H. rep on the phone a few minutes ago. Corporate CYA policies certainly exist, and they give the employer (as here) legitimate leverage. But when their CYA value outweighs their real-life value, I think they should be dropped. (Just because this is a pizza place, it reminds me of the Domino's delivery accident case ... I suspect that corporate policy on paper then at Dominos was to prohibit speeding by employees, but that delivery guys who didn't speed probably also didn't keep their jobs very long.)

timothy

+1

This man voluntarily relinquished his right to carry a weapon as a condition of employment. Its hard for me to get upset at Pizza Hut if the man volunteers to give his rights away.

Funny how so many who constantly wave the "Concealed means Concealed" flag are usually the first to say such things.

If you insist on going down that road though, Technically you do the same when you go into any place that is posted for no ccw/weapons.

On to my own comments on this.

Good Shoot on the delivery guy's part.
Pizza Butt can go ahead and go belly up, I don't like their pizza anyway.

And Overall, Personally I would rather be Jobless than Dead.

 

[jad0110]

Pizza Butt can go ahead and go belly up, I don't like their pizza anyway.

Ya know, last time I had their pizza, that's exactly what I'd imagine it tasted like - Butt!

Mr. Speirs did great. Sorry he lost his job, but things could have been much worse. And do support your local pizzerias, as others said, they usually beat the pants off the chain restaurants at the cost of a couple more bucks a pizza on average.

And I'd bet lots of those local pizza outfits don't prohibit CCW by their drivers.

 

[TexasSkyhawk]

can anyone name any pizza place that authorizes their drivers to go armed?

Absolutely. That would be damn near EVERY privately owned pizzeria here in the DFW area who also delivers. There is one pizza place that we happen to love and the regular delivery guy who comes to our house carries a Browning High-Power, cocked and locked in a shoulder rig.

That ALWAYS gets an extra few bucks added to the tip for him.

As far as "conditions of employment," here is where I call BS.

If my employer states "no weapons in the workplace," then okay.

If my employer states "no weapons in the workplace," and my workplace includes a car delivering goods, then they damn well better provide me a "workplace." If I have to use my OWN "workplace," then I'll be armed.

This would be even more interesting had it happened in Texas. We just recently passed a law that makes your car an extension of your domicile--which means it's legal for you to carry a concealed weapon.

In THAT instance, Pizza Hut's policy wouldn't be worth dog-crap. Policy can NOT trump law.

Jeff

 

[ShunZu]

Have to echo the sentiments already said...

Take your dollars elsewhere. Lots of good pizza joints.

 

[ASM826]

No he did not. In fact, he cannot.

This man voluntarily relinquished his right to carry a weapon as a condition of employment. Its hard for me to get upset at Pizza Hut if the man volunteers to give his rights away.

He cannot give away his right to self defense any more than he can give away his rights to free speech. The right to self defense is not given by the 2nd Amendment, it is only recognized by it. It is either a God-given or a natural right (depending on your beliefs).

If Pizza Hut had demanded that he give up his right to vote as a condition of employment, would you think they had a right? How about his right to face an accuser? And so on.

So, he took the job, and exercised his rights anyway. And he's still alive. Would you try to tell me that he would be more moral if he had followed their unconstitutional rule and died?

 

[Heartless_Conservative]

Quote:
This man voluntarily relinquished his right to carry a weapon as a condition of employment. Its hard for me to get upset at Pizza Hut if the man volunteers to give his rights away.



He cannot give away his right to self defense any more than he can give away his rights to free speech. The right to self defense is not given by the 2nd Amendment, it is only recognized by it. It is either a God-given or a natural right (depending on your beliefs).

If Pizza Hut had demanded that he give up his right to vote as a condition of employment, would you think they had a right? How about his right to face an accuser? And so on.

So, he took the job, and exercised his rights anyway. And he's still alive. Would you try to tell me that he would be more moral if he had followed their unconstitutional rule and died?

I was about to talk about how no one has a right to make himself into a slave, but he beat me to it.

 

[akodo]

This man voluntarily relinquished his right to carry a weapon as a condition of employment. Its hard for me to get upset at Pizza Hut if the man volunteers to give his rights away.

As an employer, and private entity, Pizza Hut can set whatever conditions it wants for employment. If one of these is to not carry a gun, and the employee agrees to it as a condition for employment then the employee has to abide by that agreement.

I agree that what they did was legal. However, it is not moral, and hence I will put pressure on them.

They do have the right to put a picture of the nazi flag on their pizza boxes, but again, I would boycott them for it.

 

[2nd 41]

Alive and unemployed beats 4 Aces. Survivors can start again.

 

[AR-15 Rep]

Pizza Hut did not have to do anything in this situation, yes it is policy, but they could have looked at the circumstances and made the choice not to suspend or fire him. Just give him a reprimand on company policy, thank him for taking the bg off the street, and move on.

 

[Funderb]

man, but i really like stuffed crust. looks like I'm doing digornio from now on.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

New Job!

Man Cow Muller a Chicago pro gun morning radio host has already gotten Mr. Spires a new job with a sandwich delivery shop in the same area he was already working. He is now making more money than before and his legal bills are being covered through another hook up that The Man Cow has lined him up with. I heard this myself on the radio as it happened.

Rock on!

Any idea which sandwich shop this is?

As long as we're not noshing on pizza, we gotta have something to eat, and I'd rather patronize a joint that hires a known armed delivery driver.

 

[bdjansen]

I kinda wish I ate at pizza hut so I could boycot them. I stopped wasting my money there a long time ago however.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

I won't eat at Pizza Hut either...Not because an employee got suspended for disobeying company policy(which is also appalling), but because their pizza sucks.

 

[gym]

Thier pizza sucks anyhow, next time he should say the customer ordered it with extra lead.

 

[Guitargod1985]

Thier pizza sucks anyhow, next time he should say the customer ordered it with extra lead.

ROFL. That's a gut buster!

 

[Macpherson]

Maybe he could get a job at Ahnuld's Pizza Shop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVA7MDQr1Nc

 

[mrmeval]

In Indianapolis one driver did the exact same thing and the store did not fire him and was vocal about backing him up. It's a local pizza place but I can't recall the name.

I've quit dealing with national chains, bad product and services and execrable business policies have driven me to the local restaurants.

 

[KD5NRH]

I kinda wish I ate at pizza hut so I could boycot them. I stopped wasting my money there a long time ago however.

They don't know that you're not eating there every day and paying cash. Just don't mention the "never eat there" part in your letter about how you're never eating there again.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Oh the irony!

i will never eat at pizza hut again

and

On the night of March 27, 2008, Pizza Hut deliveryman James Spiers of Des Moines, Iowa was delivering pizzas...

So while you won't eat at Pizza Hut, you will still call for delivery?

Getting fired or suspended for breaking the rules is just the cost of doing business. There is no reason to be upset. Spiers knew what he was doing when he made the choice.

He cannot give away his right to self defense any more than he can give away his rights to free speech. The right to self defense is not given by the 2nd Amendment, it is only recognized by it. It is either a God-given or a natural right (depending on your beliefs).

The concept of God-given or natural rights has nothing to do with this issue. He did not give up his right to self defense as a condition of employment. He still had that right. What he gave up was his right to carry a gun while working.

If Pizza Hut had demanded that he give up his right to vote as a condition of employment, would you think they had a right?

Yep, Pizza Hut does not have to let their employees vote while they are on the clock. In other words, they don't have to pay employees who are standing in line to vote or voting. Employees may go vote when they are not on the clock.

The same applies here. Pizza Hut can legally not allow a person to carry a gun while on the clock. It is that simple.

 

[mek42]

He cannot give away his right to self defense any more than he can give away his rights to free speech. The right to self defense is not given by the 2nd Amendment, it is only recognized by it. It is either a God-given or a natural right (depending on your beliefs).

If Pizza Hut had demanded that he give up his right to vote as a condition of employment, would you think they had a right? How about his right to face an accuser? And so on.

So, he took the job, and exercised his rights anyway. And he's still alive. Would you try to tell me that he would be more moral if he had followed their unconstitutional rule and died?

I guess the delivery guy now has standing to challenge Pizza Huts policy.

My own personal opinion is that businesses with a "no armed employees" should be found automatically liable for minimum damages (say $1 million for injury, $5 million for disability and $20 million for death - these are US $) for any criminal activity that happens to said employees while performing work duties and on the entire commute, including all side stops, to and from work.

The state should have the same liabilities with respect to wherever the state says no guns (i.e. airports, federal buildings, schools and/or bars in certain states). In states where it is illegal to carry in bars, this would have a side effect of stimulating the seedy bars' economies - now buying a beer is like playing the lottery.

 

[M249MachineGun]

A very real, and very scary proposition. It could happen to one of us.

 

[tntwatt]

the driver who defends himself and kills or wounds a criminal has now opened the corporation up to a potentially costly lawsuit.

Remeber that the law has changed. In any state with the castle doctrine, the criminal no longer has the right to sue anyone for injuries sustained during the commission of their crime. Now we need companies to follow suit and update outdated policies.

Pizza Hut's corporate policy is probably based on violence in the workplace. I'll bet their statistics do not include CCW's. As a group, people with CCW are the least violent and most law abiding in the country.