i will never eat at pizza hut again

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Read this, this makes me sick



On the night of March 27, 2008, Pizza Hut deliveryman James Spiers of Des Moines, Iowa was delivering pizzas--just as he had many times before over the past 10 years. He walked into an apartment complex thinking he was making another routine delivery, but found himself in a battle for his life: he had been set up by a “customer” who had lured him into the complex by pretending to order the pizza over the phone, but who had an armed accomplice waiting in ambush.

Spiers soon found himself trapped in a hallway with a gun to his head, his assailant demanding money. “Without a doubt,” he said, “my life was in extreme danger.”

The thug (who, not surprisingly, has a long list of prior arrests) thought he had the upper hand. Fortunately, Mr. Spiers has a valid concealed carry permit, and was carrying a pistol for personal protection at the time of the attack. He struggled with his attacker and managed to draw his own firearm. He shot the assailant, who fled the scene but was later arrested after he sought medical treatment.

Unfortunately, that’s not the end of the story. As a result of his actions, Mr. Spiers, a single father trying to make an honest living, was suspended from his job by his employer, Pizza Hut. That’s right. A man who, as a result of doing his job, was forced into a life-threatening situation, defended himself, and whose actions helped take a career criminal off the street, was deprived of his livelihood. Pizza Hut suspended James Spiers for defending his life.

Vonnie Walbert, vice president of human resources at Pizza Hut, said, “We have a policy against carrying weapons. We prohibit employees from carrying guns because we believe that that is the safest for everybody.”

“Safest for everybody?” This inane policy certainly makes things safer for criminals, like the one who attacked Spiers. But it does nothing to aid the safety of Pizza Hut’s employees. Every night, hardworking deliverymen and women must do their job in potentially dangerous areas. In fact, their jobs are statistically among the most dangerous in the nation. Yet Pizza Hut would deprive them of self-protection.

Thankfully, people are taking notice. Spiers has said that he has been “overwhelmed by support from people who cheered what happened,” including Iowa state senator Brad Zaun (R-32), who noted, “If I was in a situation to protect my family, protect myself, to continue being a father, I would’ve done the same thing. What I want everybody to know…is that there [are] people out there supporting this man and his right to defend himself. I’m going to be watching Pizza Hut.”

To voice your outrage over Pizza Hut’s disciplinary decision, please contact the Corporate Offices by phone at (800) 948-8488, or by e-mail at this webpage: http://www.pizzahut.com/contactus/ContactUsForm.aspx?l1=2024.

This corporate policy is outrageous.
 
This man voluntarily relinquished his right to carry a weapon as a condition of employment. Its hard for me to get upset at Pizza Hut if the man volunteers to give his rights away.

As an employer, and private entity, Pizza Hut can set whatever conditions it wants for employment. If one of these is to not carry a gun, and the employee agrees to it as a condition for employment then the employee has to abide by that agreement.

Pizza Hut policy may be stupid, but that is not the issue.
 
I just called, spoke with a polite fellow there named Ryan. I was polite and upbeat with him, or at least I hope that's the impression I left.

He confirmed that Spiers had been suspended -- was easy to tell that mine was not the first such call he'd fielded.

He said that the reason he was suspended was the violation of company policy involved; I responded that the policy and its effects are just what I was unhappy about and what had prompted my call. I pointed out that *without* the means to defend himself, Spiers might have been dead instead of in trouble.

He thanked me for the call, and I rung off -- not much to it. I *should* have been more emphatic about my (authentic) love of pizza, and pointed out that I would now rather not eat at Pizza Hut -- even when their middlin' pizza is the only kind I can find. Also, that I'd be encouraging all my law school friends to avoid them as well.


Bigmatt -- thanks for including the number, and I encourage anyone else to call as well.

timothy
 
+1. He knew (or should have known) than employment with Pizza Hut meant no carry. He decided to work for them anyway, which means that he accepted the terms they set forth in order to become an employee.

This is not Pizza Hut's fault, regardless of how stupid their policies are.
 
uneasy_ride: I know that Spiers violated his terms of employment, you're right about that. Pizza Hut may have had a perfect right to suspend or terminate him. (Not everyone agrees on that, but I think you're right, that he chose to work there and under certain conditions.)

HOWEVER, I think the policy is foolish, misguided and harmful -- which is the gist of what I said to the P.H. rep on the phone a few minutes ago. Corporate CYA policies certainly exist, and they give the employer (as here) legitimate leverage. But when their CYA value outweighs their real-life value, I think they should be dropped. (Just because this is a pizza place, it reminds me of the Domino's delivery accident case ... I suspect that corporate policy on paper then at Dominos was to prohibit speeding by employees, but that delivery guys who didn't speed probably also didn't keep their jobs very long.)

timothy
 
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As an employer, and private entity, Pizza Hut can set whatever conditions it wants for employment. If one of these is to not carry a gun, and the employee agrees to it as a condition for employment then the employee has to abide by that agreement.

Probably true. But as a consumer or potential customer I, and others have an equal right to take our business elsewhere - and to tell Pizza Hut why I (or we) are doing so.

I don't believe that Pizza Hut pays delivery people enough to ask them to risk their lives, and they don't offer them any form of protection. Put bluntly, from the company's point of view the hired help is expendable.

I, and obviously others, don't like that. So we will be buying Pizza elsewhere.

The policy is stupid, and their stupidity should cost them in lost business. I can only hope it costs them a lot of lost business.
 
I agree completely with Old Fuff.

Pizza Hut can make their policy, and employees should have to abide by it. If an employee is fired for violating company policy, they should not be able to sue Pizza Hut.

At the same time, if consumers don't like Pizza Hut policy, they should buy pizza elsewhere.
 
I think this is a prime example of corporate America's thinking today, the delivery driver if he is killed is just a minimum wage commodity easily replaced. But the driver who defends himself and kills or wounds a criminal has now opened the corporation up to a potentially costly lawsuit.
 
He did what he needed to do and will come out on top. The support he will recieve will be awesome from us "gun nuts" and some fellow 2nd ammendment believer will get him in a new job that beats Pizza Hut all to pieces. Unless he gets stupid about it. Now we are back to him doing what he needs to do. Our part is to let the world know he defended and quite possibly saved his life with a firearm used in self defense.
Well, that's my 2 pennies.

Mike
 
I, and obviously others, don't like that. So we will be buying Pizza elsewhere.

The policy is stupid, and their stupidity should cost them in lost business. I can only hope it costs them a lot of lost business.

Reality Check:

PH is not going to change its gun policy regardless of how many people boycott – they’ll shut down the business first.

In addition, PH is owned by Yum! Brands, who I’m sure conceived of the no carry policy; your argument is with them, not the independent PH franchisee. Of course that means you’ll also have to boycott KFC, Taco Bell, and Long John Silver’s.
 
This is one of those situations where supporting your local businesses is the way to go. Most cities and towns have local restaurants with better food than Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, etc. This is especially true for pizza. Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, Dominos, etc. cannot compare to the several local restaurants in my area that make some delicious pizza.

I think it would be foolish to not carry a concealed weapon if you're a pizza delivery person. Regardless of the employment agreement, one's life is more important than a the bottom line of a mega corporation.
 
I suspect Pizza Hut has a reason for standing firm on this one- If they had not had a policy preventing their employees from carrying weapons, they would likely be in line for litigation from the wounded assailant. (In fact, they may still face litigation on this one...)

Not that I support their policy, but lets face it, most businesses will go to the extreme to try and protect themselves from lawsuits. Unfortunately, our system of jurisprudence tends to favor the bad guys at times, not to mention the heyday the "fair minded" news media would have with such a situation, if a company like Pizza Hut supported armed employees...
 
When in college about 600 years ago I delivered Dominos Pizza. I carried a .38 Special which I later sold like an idiot, but that’s another story...:eek::(:banghead:

I knew if I used it I’d be fired. Period. I could deal with that rather than getting seriously injured or killed.

No one authorizes carrying a firearm and never will.
 
Pizza But blows chunks. Aside from this issue, I'll never eat the cardboard they claim as "pizza" ever again. Too many awesome mom 'n pop type places here, but I did fire off an email to Pizza But about this driver.
 
Anybody have links to the policy of other pizza places. I'm curious to see how many ban their employees from carrying. Probably most of them. That's how low our society has gotten.

I agree with the posters that stated that Mr. Spiers relinquished his right to carry when he accepted employment from Pizza Hut, however, I don't feel as though he should have had to. Do we know what his situation was? Is it possible that jobs in his area were hard to come by? Just asking.
 
The best pizza joint around here doesn't even deliver. Take out only and they still do a screaming business.
 
When this same situation is presented as a discussion of the rights of business owners--in the abstract--a great many people argue that business and property owners have the right to set rules that prohibit their employees and customers from having the means of defending themselves even if they have Concealed Weapons Permits.

But when the focus on this very same subject turns to a real situation involving one real, live, breathing person a great many people argue that there's something wrong with a business that denies a pizza delivery guy the right to defend his life.
 
He's alive, he can always find a new job. much harder to get a second life.

I'd do the same in his shoes. In fact, before we had CHL in Texas I always felt it was better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

--wally.
 
can anyone name any pizza place that authorizes their drivers to go armed?

I suspect that the disarmed delivery person rule is pretty much standard throughout the industry.

The company reduces it's legal liability that way.

You can be sure that PH is going to be sued by the dead perp's family.

Lawyers always look for where the money is.

With this policy, PH can claim in court that Mr. Spiers was acting on his own, against company policy.

Vonnie Walbert, vice president of human resources at Pizza Hut, said, “We have a policy against carrying weapons. We prohibit employees from carrying guns because we believe that that is the safest for everybody.

Therefore, the true meaning of the above statement is that the policy keeps Pizza Hut safe from being sued!!
 
dont do chain pizza, my local family owned pizza place delivers and both son and dad carry 40 cal on deliveries.both are ccw and never been bothered and they go to some rough places. but then again they look like people you dont want to play with
 
+1 Mr. James Spiers. Your decision may have cost you a job, but it saved your life. Your children will be proud of you.
 
Therefore, the true meaning of the above statement is that the policy keeps Pizza Hut safe from being sued!!

If I'm killed in a crime somewhere I can't carry my will states all my resources are to be used suing anyone responsible for that policy that kept me disarmed!

--wally.
 
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