a true gun story... You'll all laugh

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Reminds me of the time when I was working in my Dad's gas station back in the early '70's.
A local rancher (and a real character to boot) was there, he had been out checking cattle, had his horse in a trailer and carried a single action revolver on his hip for use against varmints.
A family from an Eastern state (forget which one, NJ?) stopped in for gas. They had a couple of kids, probably 7 or 8 years old. They kept staring the the guy in the cowboy hat the six shooter while he tended to his horse.
One of the kids finally worked up the nerve to speak to him, went something like this:

"Are you a real cowboy?"

"Yep"

"Is that a real gun?"

"Yep"

"Are there any Indians around here?"

"Sure are. Spotted a bunch of 'em just this morning. They almost got me."

(Kids eyes grow as wide as the hubcaps on their family truckster.)

"Which way you folks headed?"

"We're going to California!"

"Well, that bunch of Injuns I saw this mornin' were just West of town here, keep your eyes open."

I bet those kids didn't take their eyes off the horizon for the next couple hundred miles. :D
 
Thanks to all...

I thought you guys might appreciate that...
Ask any officer in Vermont and they'll tell you that they prefer you keep the weapon concealed because it scares the hell out of the tourists...
The law reads something to the effect of a concealed weapon is only considered criminal if you hide it with the intent to commit a crime.
In other words, If I carry a handgun solely on the basis of my right to keep and bear arms, without the express intent to do someone bodily harm with said weapon, it's ok to carry it concealed without some special registration permit. There is NO law regarding unconcealed carry and the handgun may be fully loaded, Yes, even the automatics I've carried in the past were locked and loaded with one in the pipe and the safety on, strapped into an Uncle Mike's... For 2 years I carried a Walther PPK/S in a fanny pack. When I did, it was NEVER chambered for obvious reasons.
Here's a serious question for all of you living under the Jack-boots of a State that requires you to provide the government with a list of your handguns... If you need a permit to carry concealed, do you need one to carry it unconcealed??? Trust me, to a potential thug, or a trained eye like mine, the tell-tale bulge is enough to let me know you're packing a piece. But to be able to see the looks on people's faces when they see a handgun strapped to my hip is well worth it... Sorry, but I do love it!
I now tell them it's no more dangerous than the pocket tool I carry on the other hip and a heck of a lot more reliable in a desparate situation than a cell phone call to the police... Prior to 9/11 I was looked at with a little bit of that paramilitary prejudice... Now I know of at least 6 people in my hometown who never owned/nor ever dreamed of owning, firearms in their lives that went out on the 12th and bought handguns, sks's, Ak's and even an old 1903A3 and a sporterized mauser 98k...
Most of the women I know around here carry a pistol in their pocketbooks.
I carry not because I'm a gun-weilding psycho, nor do I carry solely to intimidate people who are ignorant of their second amendment rights.
I carry so that the practice won't go out of style and be lost to history.
I never was a soldier, I didn't loose any immediate family in the recent wars, but I've always had the deepest most reverent respect for our fighting forces. My lineage is Irish and Scottish, so the warrior blood certainly courses through my veins. I don't hate the idiots who want to take away my gun rights. I pity them. It will be a sad day when all of our personal freedoms are diminished to appease the security of our Nation.
When the great American civilization falls, and mark my words, all great ones eventually do, it will be the folks like us, the ones who are decent respectable people with a core belief that all humans are equal and deserve the supreme rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness who will be the ones protecting their ignorant @sses from the vermin.
I believe that I am more courteous when I carry because of the fact that I'd hate to break the sacred commandment of my God. "Thou shalt not kill."
I've also come to the firm conclusion that I'd rather shoot once to wound, because it would be easier to convince a judge that I only wished to stop an attacker if the guy's been shot in the arm instead of 6 holes in his skull.
In conclusion, I try to inform as many people as I can, through shock factor, through witty, intelligent comebacks to their degrading remarks, and by satisfiying that most innocent of human qualities; curiosity...
"Why do you carry a handgun?"
"Because this country wouldn't exist were it not for the fact that common citizens spilled their blood to give me the freedom to keep and bear arms. were it not for their sacrifice, we'd still be British subjects. This is how I choose to honor them; By upholding the constitution and the bill of rights."

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(A unit of volunteers, under commisioned officers, to be called upon in times of dire emergency and trained in military drill, who are able to supply their own weapons and expertise thereof is the best defense of liberty)
The people mentioned in the 1st are the same people in the 2nd.
As my friends from new Hampshire say:
"Live free, or die!"
 
welcome FnG

that name sounds familiar,it's not from an ee.cummings poem is it?
I tried open carry in Scotsdale AZ 2 yrs ago,loved it!
I am an armed guard so I have gotten lots of questions (here in CA)
from out of state tourist,and folks from other countries.
some of my faves.
Q:"How do you qualify to carry a gun?"
A:"oh,it's easy! just join the NRA is all you need"
Q:"are you allowed to shoot people?"
A:"only when I'm drunk,or the little voices say so"
Q:"is that gun loaded?"
A:"if it wasn't I could only say,Stop or I'll frown!"
 
Kansas allows open carry, subject to local ordinance.
But as one LEO told me, you probably won't do it hassle-free. One call from a concerned citizen and the police will show up to question your intentions.
 
I need to move to Vermont...

A lot of places technically have no law against carrying openly but you will attract a lot of unwelcome attention if you do. I think there were a few threads about this on here recently.
 
Welcome! What a fabulous story!

I believe that I am more courteous when I carry because of the fact that I'd hate to break the sacred commandment of my God. "Thou shalt not kill."

Well, actually, "Thou shalt not murder." Big, big difference.

I've also come to the firm conclusion that I'd rather shoot once to wound, because it would be easier to convince a judge that I only wished to stop an attacker if the guy's been shot in the arm instead of 6 holes in his skull.

Respectfully, that's a very dangerous attitude. There is a reason that we are trained to aim for the center of mass, and to shoot until the threat is neutralized.

Please, please, please get some training or at least do some reading on this.

Matt
 
Sir, while I respect you carry preferances, I would like to ask two things.
1 Why carry a PPk in condition three? I carried a PPk Condition two for a couple of years, and carry my Witness same way, concealed. BTW, you probably can't see that bulge.
2 Shooting to wound will get you hung in court - deadly force is only to be used in certain very limited circumstances - shooting to wound does not change the fact that you have used deadly force. Shooting to wound WILL convince the prosecutor, (who will attempt to convince the jury), that YOU YOURSELF did not believe you had the right to employ deadly force. Please read Massad Ayoobs' classic, In The Gravest Extreme.

BTW I have carried in AZ openly since I was 16, and have had a CCW permit since it went into effect. I have been asked to leave about 5 businesses in the entire time I carried open -all five are OUT of business now....no connection, I am sure....:cool:
 
Carrying in Vt.

As a native Vermonter I also excercise my right to carry openly or concealed whenever I wish and am always astounded by reading about the myriad and confusing carry laws in all other states. Amazingly, I believe Vermont is the only "civilized" entity in the Americas that does not have any handgun restrictions. This does not mean, however, that the "touristas" constantly see the natives packing iron wherever they go. As the author of this thread said, guys heading home from the range, and deer hunters are commonly seen in country stores with their handguns strapped on. Nobody thinks anything of it. Try it in Chittenden county -home of Howie Dean, our Socialist congressman Bernie Sanders, and more residents from Mass. than Boston(not really-we only number about 350K in all) and you'd get some agitated eyebrow raising. All the more reason, of course, to carry whenever possible! I own 11 handguns (all Colts) from .22s to .45s and always have one -usually a combat commander-in the glove compartment. Winters suck, but why live anywhere else?
 
Oh so true in Modern Vermont. However the point y'all have missed is the invasion of the flatlanders on Vermont. Or as some decry, "Don't Jersey Vermont!".

The state, especially southern VT, has seen an influx of flatlanders in the last decade - especially after 9/11. Folks coming from NY & MA and instead of respecting local culture and custom, want to change it.

I only hope VT can keep its pro-gun culture alive in years to come.
 
Good story...here's my opinion, for what it's worth: She was afraid, and many times fear is due to ignorance. She was ignorant of the context in which you guys were carrying, having come from an entirely different background. To her, guns mean crime and injury. I try to educate people in these situations and make them see that the world does not exist only in their realm of experience. Further polarization does not help.
 
To all and to some specifically...

I didn't by any means say I wouldn't kill someone if I ever had to.
I also never implied that I don't know how to train rather than just punch neat little holes into a piece of paper... To me, where I live, having kids, I don't get nearly the time I would need to become anything like an expert. Let's face it, even without kids and a range in my backyard I know I wouldn't get enough range time for my own highest of all standards. :)
I am proficient enough with any given rifle to hit what I aim at from the muzzle out to 100 yards, with steady, aimed fire. Scoped and open sights.
For hunting, that's all you really need here in southern Vt. because you're generally never going to get a shot of more than 75 yards. I had one deer walk within 10 feet of me and the only reason I had to not shoot was because I didn't dare breathe much less try to swing the rifle around. The wind stayed just right and he walked into the field of fire, but he didn't follow my great plan of him coming into the clearing from the other way. After about twenty minutes of calculated movements between me and him I dropped him at less than 10 yards, final estimate was like 20 feet!
We used to be able to practice at further distances but thanks to out-of-state-now-own-property-here-types of complainers, the local sand pit is totally off limits to free firearms practice... We used to be able to measure out a 985 foot range and shoot at soda and soup cans with old bolt-action WW1 vets with "lobbing sights" or with the season's newest optics.
The 500 meter range at the local club is tempting, but $75 yearly seems a bit steep for the few times I get to go out shooting nowadays.
I shoot at another range about 20 miles away, near where I grew up that has a decent 120 yard range, a 30 yard pistol range, and a clays field...
Occasionally I go to a good friend's house over there where we "play Hollywood" We shoot two handguns at the same time, fire shotguns one handed, and generally horse around in a totally safe but prohibited at mainstream shooting events/ranges manner. Targets include, but are seldom limited to: a junk car, a huge maple tree, a 4 foot square of 1/2" steel plate, a 55 gallon drum of rainwater, etc. Before you all cringe and tell me I'm nuts I must add that he lives 5 miles from anyone on a private road, owns 35 acres, and nobody goes up his driveway without calling him first.
I've always practiced with pistols a little differently.
Usually I jog in place for twenty seconds, do a dozen push-ups then stand and draw down on three separate targets, 5-10 feet apart and from 5 to 20 feet away and try to get center of mass hits on all three in less than 2 seconds. This might not be a totally realistic technique but it gives me a unique situation where my hands are shaky, my heart is beating 1,000 times per second and I'm sweating bullets. (pun fully intended) Three factors that have accompanied EVERY schoolyard scrap and potentially life-threating situation that's ever come my way since I was born. Sometimes I'll try quick-draw double-taps at one torso target, and then a single aimed shot at another target that's partially covered by a piece of colored paper or a clean torso target... If you can hit a soda can from 30 yards with any firearm you name, that to me, is tactically qualified for self defense.
I seldom stand and shoot one target, arms straight out, double clasp of the hands, aiming for perfect scores...
I'm not a competitor, nor do I intend to be.
I'm not a victim, nor do I intend to be.
When it comes to firearms, I feel that it is the same as for vehicles.
Everyone should be entitled to own as many as they want, openly or concealed, mint factory condition or in several pieces.
Each individual reserves the right to choose whatever brand-name and/or features that they, the individual, personally may happen to like.
It is the sole responsibility of the users to treat other users and non-users with courtesy and respect so that the "Foul machines of noise and death" don't take a human life, but remain a possesion for pleasure and leisure.
I get a little upset with the people who will openly limit the "need" or "use" of any given firearm or to insult an enthusiast of a certain type.
On one hand you got the guy who religiously hunts every year and on the other you got the "I'm strictly a paper target shooter." Somewhere in that mix is the collector, the customiser, and the citizen who thinks his personal defense weapon should be more effective than a baseball bat or a 911 call.
Arguing what gun is proper in a situation and in which way is best for it to be employed by everyone, is a moot point.
We are all different, this is a free economy founded on Trade, Enterprise and Capitalism, and we all deserve the right to be able to choose wisely and within our means. I think a flintlock muzzleloader is just as dangerous and just as gorgeous as tomorrow's plasma rifle might one day be.
I can only hope that when that day comes, that not only will there still be a United States Of America where a free citizen can legally own a plasma rifle and/or a flintlock, but that my many great-great grandchild will tell his son about the man who wrote these words and then they'll go out and be able to fire off a few rounds from an AK-47 or a Colt .45 at a paper target, or to be allowed to experience the thrill of the hunt with a scoped (not to be confused with a sniper weapon) hunting rifle. If we're lucky, and there is an afterlife, maybe we'll all meet again in some cyberforum of the future and we can still chat freely about whether or not the fake wood or the original black plastic stocks look better on that plasma rifle.
Respectfully, jim
 
I don't mean to keep hounding, but I still don't know why the PPK shouldn't be carried with a round chambered.
 
Welcome Jim .... great story. Wish I'd been a fly on the wall!!

Bear said
Perhaps someday "Vermont Style Carry" will become the de facto standard.
That would indeed be something ... but some sure won't be holding their breath ... more's the pity.

Sodium .... ''1 in 30'' for PA CCW .... AFAIK ... it would appear that statewide that figure is more like 1 in 15! Region of 6%.:)
 
I had a similar situation in Atlanta, at a Home Depot in Midtown. I was waiting to check out, and the guy two places in line in front of me (normal, well-dressed) reached back for his wallet. When he did, the butt of his gun was visible for about a half a second. The two guys in line behind him jumped, and one yelled, "Ohmigod, he's got a gun!"

Everyone stopped what they were doing, even the poor armed sap, who assumed they were looking at someone else. The cashier hit the silent alarm button. Complete chaos. The manager came running over yelling at the guy, "Hold it right there!' (REAL good move on the chance that he DID mean trouble). They guy tried to show the manager his permit and explain that he was just there to pay for his caulk, and the manager told him to go outside, where the police would be along to "take care of people like him."

As I walked out to my car, I saw APD talking with the guy (still armed and friendly), and one of the cops was telling the manager, who was waving his arms and yelling, that no law had been broken and that he should just shut up.

Funny thing is, this is in a HORRIBLE neighborhood (Sydney Marcus, near Buford Hwy), and that particular Home Depot has been robbed countless times. I was tempted to say something to the manager the next time I saw him to this effect, but I figured it'd be more trouble than it was worth.

A few weeks ago, I was at a gas station pumping, and a lady in the car next to mine noticed mine while I was bending over to check the oil. She seemed nervous and asked me if it was legal, to which I replied yes. She thought about it for a brief second, then asked me to stay while she pumped her gas. I guess it goes both ways.
 
The cashier hit the silent alarm button.

Strange...I've worked a couple retail jobs, including a current one while I'm in school at a home improvement store...and I've never seen a silent alarm.

Then again if the store was robbed a couple times I'm sure they would be more likely to put one in.
 
That's a pretty nice story ... now, if only the rest of the country got VT carry, or at least if VT got some Texas weather ...
 
The two guys in line behind him jumped, and one yelled, "Ohmigod, he's got a gun!"

Everyone stopped what they were doing, even the poor armed sap, who assumed they were looking at someone else.

I don't know why.. but I can't help laughing at the though of the poor sap pulling and going to low ready, finding cover, then trying to figure out where the "armed gunman" was.

Maybe it's just me.
 
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