A Very Pro-Gun Movie: "The Postman"

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"The Postman" starring Kevin Costner was critically panned, mostly for the fact that it was very very long, and the acting was at times somewhat cheesy. I admit this is true, but nevertheless, I think this is a good example of a fairly recent pro-gun movie. It's not very popular, and not many people have seen it because of all the bad reviews, but it's actually one of my favorite movies, because of its story. (Although I have heard that Kevin Costner has anti-gun views, unfortunately.)

The setting: the not too distant future - maybe 20 or 30 years from now. A massive war destroyed most of America's technology (according to the book that it was based on, most people survived because the bombs mainly effected electronic systems, not people.) The U.S. government collapsed, and there was no longer any law and order on a federal level.

People retreated to rural communities (the movie is set in Oregon) and built fortified towns, surviving with primitive technology and agriculture. However, their way of life is threatened when a huge army of fascist-type goons forms, and starts looting and pillaging all the communities. They ride around on horseback (there is no more gasoline or cars, apparently) and are armed with AR-15/M-16 type rifles, and are led by an evil general who acts like a medieval tyrant, who declares that the United States no longer exist and fashions himself as the new despotic ruler of the land, raping women, robbing people of their valuables, etc. (Played by Will Patton, who also co-starred with Costner in the great spy flick No Way Out.

The rural communities are eventually rallied together by The Postman (Costner) and the network of mail carriers he has set up, who claim that the United States of America has been restored. At first, it's a lie, which is told to try to give the people hope. But eventually, it spreads to the point where there is an actual organized system of leadership, which is connected by horse-mounted scouts and mail carriers. The small communities decide it's time to stand up to the bandit army, and raise militias and arm themselves (mostly with old, out-of-date rifles - you can see a lot of Garands and M14s in the battle sequences.) Eventually, they're able to stand up against the bad guys, even though they're outmatched technologically, and outnumbered.

I won't spoil the end of the movie, but the ultimate message of it is: 1. a revolution against a bigger and stronger enemy CAN succeed if the people are sufficiently motivated and they have their freedom to fight for, and 2. guns, and the skill to use them well, are the means to this end - just as our Founding Fathers themselves believed. The scenes of the citizen militias, on horseback, rallied under the American flag, with old battle rifles, recall our first American Revolution.

And, for what it's worth, this film isn't from the perspective of people rebelling against the United States government - rather, they're rebelling against the fascists who have taken over after the U.S. government collapsed, and their fighting FOR the restoration of America.

Some screen shots:

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(The above guy is actually a villain, but it's a rare example of someone in a Hollywood movie actually holding a pistol with his index finger outside of the guard and not on the trigger.)

Has anyone here seen this film? Any comments?
 
Good movie. I own it on DVD. I actually think it's a stronger story than David Brin's novel. That whole Neo-hippy thing was just a bit too much for me. The movie stayed away from that.

I've never heard that Costner had anti-gun opinions. That would be suprising considering the message from this film and also Open Range. But anything goes when it comes to Hollyweird.

By the way I'm up at this ungodly hour because I work nights. What's your excuse? Don't tell my boss. LOL
 
That's too bad. I like, and own, many of his movies. Well I guess in this case I'm going too look the other way.
 
I've always liked the Postman, one of my favorites. Plenty of AR's and 1911s in this flick too. Anyone who hasn't seen it should give it a try.
 
I've got it over on the shelf too and I break it out and watch it occasionally. It's not a great movie but it's no worse than any of the "Die Hard" series. It was filmed nearby and I recognise some of the scenery so that makes it more interesting for me.

Kevin Costner is no John Wayne but he can be a fairly decent actor when he gets the right script. "Dances With Wolves" was his best effort though he's made a bunch of money off of sports stories like "Field of Dreams", "Bull Durham" and "Tin Cup". "Water World" was an unmitigated disaster. Probably because of my age, I enjoy a good western from time to time and "Open Range" slipped in and filled the slot that I had been plugging with older movies.
 
Personally, I think that there was a deeper story involved, rather than just about "guns". Sure, the acting was a bit "cheesy", but it depicted several different types of people fairly accurately.

There were a lot of "sheeple", there were "thugs", Kostner played the part of a "loner", and many of the young people were placed in the realm of being "hopeful".
At different points, Kostner transitioned from being a "loner", to a forced "follower", then to the part of sort of a "super-star". The final transition was from "super-star" to reluctantly becoming a "leader".

From what I understand, John Milius ("Red Dawn") has put together another Apocolyptic or post-Apocolypse movie, but no one in Hollywood wants to fund the production.
 
The photo frame of the guy with the 1911 pistol is actor Rex Linn (aka Rex Lynn), who has been in other Costner flicks (Tin Cup, Wyatt Earp, as Frank Maclaury, i.e.) and he is a regular on CSI Miami.
He shows up in westerns and was in the three Selleck films, Crosfire Trail, Last Stand at Sabre River, and Monte Walsh.

That's your film trivia for today :D
 
I watched Postman when it first came out and again on $3 dvd in the sandbox.
I remember it had terrible reviews when it first appeared (during the Clinton
years). Things have changed since then and given the public's positive
praise for Jericho, the Postman would have probably done better released
now than when it was.

I wonder when Ultimate Warrior will be re-done? But who could replace
Yul Brynner!
 
I agree that the plot changes are more-or-less better than the original Brin novel. In the novel, the Holnists are super-human, although I don't remember what made them so. The Postman kills one or two early in the book, and that buys him entry into the clan, IIRC. As I recall, the Holnists were portrayed as kind of a mix between Nazis and KKK in their outlook.

I 100% agree that the super-hippie thing at the end of the book was just silly.

Brin is a nice enough guy. I met him in the early 1990s and chatted for a while, after he'd given a speech at an Amer. Library Association conference. He was actually troubled by the idea that there are more swordsmiths around now than ever before. We didn't talk guns, so I don't know what his stance on that was, but I do remember him having a positive opinion of government surveillance (ala the UK).

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Dirty Bob
 
It was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I mean really, a Postman? Please. Well, maybe "Waterworld" was worse. Flip a coin.
 
Which one? UW had some great one-liners. Yul Brynner was still good in an
era of movies that really pretty much all sucked if judged by amount of cheese.

You can only pull out a handful of great movies each decade and a lot of
actors have a few that bomb for each one that they will be remembered
for as good.
 
I have a weakness for cheesy movies. The Ultimate Warrior, The Omega Man, Dawn of the Dead (the original and the remake), Virus, The Stand.Road Warrior, Mad Max. I could go on, but you get the point.

Dirty Bob says:

Brin is a nice enough guy. I met him in the early 1990s and chatted for a while, after he'd given a speech at an Amer. Library Association conference. He was actually troubled by the idea that there are more swordsmiths around now than ever before. We didn't talk guns, so I don't know what his stance on that was, but I do remember him having a positive opinion of government surveillance (ala the UK).

I think that he's probably typical of people from his age group and education. At one point you get the impression that he's something of a Libertarian (the Uplift War) but then you also get the impression that he's a believer in big goverment.

If nothing else I believe that Brin is to be commended for writing a SHTF novel which is hopeful and shows people working to restore or rebuild civilization. Instead of treating the collapse of society as an excuse to run wild and engage in an orgy of destruction.

Brin showed that such a situation would be very bad indeed and ultimately survival would depend of people working together to rebuild. Not to just hold up in their respective fortresses blasting everyone who tries to pick from their apple trees.

You know I think it's funny that The Road Warrior is looked at as the prototype for the running amok SHTF storylines, but it actually shows how destructive such a scenario would be to the human psychology. Even Brin says that in his introduction to the recent reprint of Pat Fran's classic novel Alas Babylon.
 
Have you ever read the book

It is huge. I would be very hard to make a good movie out of the book unless you did a mini series. Then maybe you might be able to do it justice.


steve
 
The wife has never stayed awake for any Costner film till the end. It was not very believable but it did have Tom Petty in cameo.
 
"Water World" was an unmitigated disaster. I agree... but I still watch it every time it is on.. then take a shower.
 
In the novel, the Holnists are super-human, although I don't remember what made them so.
Not all of them, just a few. They had had their nervous systems augmented somehow (they mentioned the faint scars from networks of implants). This was done while they were members of the military prior to the collapse.

Brin is one of my favorite authors.
 
I'm not denying that the film is very long and potentially boring - I just think it has a good message.
 
That movie sucked
Nah.

I love post apocalyptic movies. I liked "Waterworld" also, but it did get tedious at times. "The Road Warrior" (Mad Max 2) with Mel Gibson is great, as is "Mad Max - Beyond Thunderdome".

Lots of good gun sceens. I love the S&W the bad guy shoots at the radiator with in "The Road Warrior"

Mad Max is armed to the gills in Beyond Thunderdome. Too bad the city allowed no carry, but then the movie would have been much shorter. ;)
 
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