harvester of sorrow
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On the other hand, a .355 full auto mp5 seems pretty reasonable.
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On the other hand, a .355 full auto mp5 seems pretty reasonable.
Stiletto Null
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.355 or .357? 
"Semi-automatic": How often has the news media dropped the "Semi-" in print or on broadcast news? To the ill-informed, "Automatic" means "Machinegun"! And, don't confuse them by using the terminology "Select-fire"!
I don't recall the name of the U.S. Senator or Congresswoman who stated that the .50 caliber Browning weapons could fire a "Heat-seeking" bullet.
Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno testified that the so-called "assault weapons" were "more deadly than other firearms"!
Since when did such things as bayonet lugs, flash hiders, folding stocks and pistol grips on rifles make them "more deadly" or "evil"?
If you listen to some "experts", the civilian-legal AK-47 and Uzi are "nuclear weapons"!
A candidate for a "Darwin" award told me about having fired his full-comp S&W revolver, and one of the bullets got stuck half-way through the barrel.
"I just blew it out with another round!", he explained! Fortunately, all that happened was a bulged barrel! I offered him $5 for that revolver!
I don't recall the name of the U.S. Senator or Congresswoman who stated that the .50 caliber Browning weapons could fire a "Heat-seeking" bullet.
Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno testified that the so-called "assault weapons" were "more deadly than other firearms"!
Since when did such things as bayonet lugs, flash hiders, folding stocks and pistol grips on rifles make them "more deadly" or "evil"?
If you listen to some "experts", the civilian-legal AK-47 and Uzi are "nuclear weapons"!
A candidate for a "Darwin" award told me about having fired his full-comp S&W revolver, and one of the bullets got stuck half-way through the barrel.
"I just blew it out with another round!", he explained! Fortunately, all that happened was a bulged barrel! I offered him $5 for that revolver!
BergaminoCAV
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!!! Hey SAG0282 I notice you have a Beretta PX4 Storm!!, I had a few come through the store and I really liked the style and how comfortable they were!! How do you like it and what caliber is it???
HankB
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And no doubt it was a 'scope sighted full-auto accurate to 1000 yards . . .
Actually, in the last couple of years I remember reading that someone has been working to develop a quieter shotgun . . . the approach they took was to use a long barrel.
I mean a REALLY long barrel - like five or six FEET.
Typical shotguns don't burn a lot of powder - even a typical hunting load from a 12 ga. will only burn around 30 grains of propellant. Thanks to the large bore diameter, peak chamber pressures will only be on the of 10,000 PSI. Now, as the volume of the bore filled by the powder gasses increases, pressures go down. Make the barrel long enough, and eventually pressures are so low when the shot and wad leave the barrel that the "bang" coming out of the muzzle is reduced to a relatively mild "pop."
Bingo - a "silenced" shotgun that doesn't even require a tax stamp.
(The reader is left to decide whether or not hauling around a shotgun that length is practical.)
cmb3366
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My favorite was a guy that cmae into the shop and wanted to know when "those new Ruger 10/22's in .22 Hornet" would be coming out. I tried to talk sence with him, but he just got pissed.
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Guy at the range the other day was asking the folks behind the counter for ".357 Sig Magnum".
Stiletto Null
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Well, that kind of makes sense. "Magnum" in that it's hot, Sig because it's by Sig (duh), .357 because it's .357?
Well, that kind of makes sense. "Magnum" in that it's hot, Sig because it's by Sig (duh), .357 because it's .357?
My eldest daughter's father in law (who really is a good guy, likes guns and has a CCW) is convinced that the .45 ACP will drop a human target in one's tracks like a 100 pound sack of cement if hit COM and will spin one completely around and knock you off your feet if hit in the arm or shoulder. It'll blow yur leg clean off - don't ya know. 
When I was in the Army back in the early 70's most of the guys I served with (including many Senior NCO's who should have known better) knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bullets fired out of an M-16 tumbled as they flew towards their target - the tumbling is what made the bullet so deadly.
No amount of instruction in basic physics (or even common sense) could convince either group of the error of their beliefs. :banghead:
When I was in the Army back in the early 70's most of the guys I served with (including many Senior NCO's who should have known better) knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bullets fired out of an M-16 tumbled as they flew towards their target - the tumbling is what made the bullet so deadly.
No amount of instruction in basic physics (or even common sense) could convince either group of the error of their beliefs. :banghead:
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Counter guy said "Do you mean .357 Sig?" and the the guy asking was insistent that he wanted ".357 Sig Magnum."
I heard the counter guy trying to be diplomatic as I was leaving: "Never heard of it, must be something new."
I heard the counter guy trying to be diplomatic as I was leaving: "Never heard of it, must be something new."
MrTwigg
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Traveling bullets
What about being shot in the toe and having the buttet travel all the way to your brain ?
What about being shot in the toe and having the buttet travel all the way to your brain ?
harvester of sorrow
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.355 according to the fine people at Sierra.
For some oddball reason I keep running across people who tell me about garlic filled bullets.
Or how about those who say that CL AK47s and AR-15s are are "weapons of war" because they desighed to kill people, while the the Mini-14/30 are not because they are "hunting" rifles. Notwithstanding that they are based on the M-14, shoot the same ammo as the above, and Ruger did try to sell the rifle to the military.
-Bill
Lebben-B
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Those are great for one shot stops against vampires...Didn't y'all see it in "Blade" and "Underworld?" If it's good enough for Wesley Snipes, it's good enough for me.
Edited to add: I just noticed that this was post #333. Does this make me the semi-christ?
Fed168
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One of J. David Truby's books on suppressors has a nice photo of an 870 SBS with a rather large can attached at the end of the barrel. I think it is dated from sometime in the 1980s.
How's about an Enfield that could shoot under a minute at a 1000 yards. The claim made by someone I worked with. I think he added too many zeros to the equation.
How's about an Enfield that could shoot under a minute at a 1000 yards. The claim made by someone I worked with. I think he added too many zeros to the equation.
gunsmith
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I was told the same thing werewolf
I remember being told that in basic in the seventies.
Also I remember wondering how anyone could be so stupid as to present a loaded gun to the drill for inspection as we left the range....
I guess the "tear yer leg off" myth comes from legs getting amputated after a femoral artery wound.
I remember being told that in basic in the seventies.
Also I remember wondering how anyone could be so stupid as to present a loaded gun to the drill for inspection as we left the range....
I guess the "tear yer leg off" myth comes from legs getting amputated after a femoral artery wound.
sm
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Older I get - the more I realize what I don't know.
I'm fifty-one. To be honest, and I have told many on this board in posts, thru PM, Email and landline, I really do not know a lot about a lot of stuff - including firearms and loads.
Heck in Tulsa, with some Members here, I shared , I have no friggin' idea what a _____is , I had one pointed out to me. I admit, don't have idea how the MOA is, hand me something I have never handled, and I am going to ask you to show me everything about how it works and how to make safe.
I do not care if this means a 8 year old girl with a purple/ pink rifle, or a older person with a Mil-Surp, or a Person with Blackpowder.
I do not feel bad, stupid, ashamed or nothing, just being honest. Honest some more is, I do not really care about some things, and it means nothing to me to know there is about everything.
I went thru that phase as a kid with Cars...fishing reels, some guns, and other material stuff.
It is no big deal and I for sure ain't either.
Somethings I do know about, I know about. I mean this is what interests me, what I have experiences in and what I pass forward to others.
I can tell if someone is blowing smoke to impress themselves - even if I have no friggin' idea of the genre', be it guns, furniture, types of carpet, whatever.
Then again I can be as dumb as a brick - when I know the subject , and let another make a fool of themselves.
A well known shooter and I were shooting shotguns. Acually we were piddling with some, shooting from the hip , just goofing off. Some fella offered to give us lessons. We thanked him and said we were just having fun and someday if we wanted to "be as good as him" we would consider getting lessons.
Well known shooter and I had just 50/50 at skeet. Same fella and I for fun have limited out on doves shooting from the hip...one reason were were "goofing off" and shooting from the hip. Limit is 15 doves, shooters get 15 shells, the game is whom gets the most doves with the fewest shells fired.
I've taken 15 doves with 11 shells. Well known shooter beat me with only using 10.
Heck we hunted birds/doves using only single shot shotguns, it was about the people, the dogs, the kids , especially the kids for the first time out.
See I never cared about wanting to be a "wannabe" - still don't. Folks do not understand this.
Then again these folks do not understand why I get all worked up watching a kid's face light up, shooting a shotgun, felling that first dove, outrunning the dog to get it. They do not understand why I get a lump in my throat, watching a grandpa help a little grandkid shoot a shotgun or .22 rifle he is passing on. Why that grandkid I have to take out and let shoot, take on a first hunt, grandpa did not live long enought to do so , and I promised.
Life is too short for me worry about stuff not important, and waste energies on stuff that is important to me.
Heck I have no need to impress anyone, especially me. I respect and admire those that know a genre' and can share history , preserve it in works, pictures and sharings.
I was younger once , and had great Mentors. All thru my life I have had great folks to share with me.
I went thru phases of having to limit out on fish, or game, or know the names of all the cars, anything.
Mentors let me develop, and go thru stages, all the while passing forward.
Firearms, we did not have all the choices we have today. I am still using, and prefer the choices that fit me, for my tasks going back 40 yrs.
If I want to call it a 12 bore I will. Just how raised. Lever action meant a Savage, Winchester , or Marlin. Little critter is a 28 ga, Littlest Critter a .410.
Coke means a Coca Cola , RC, SevenUp, Dr. Pepper, or ...
Older I get, the more I realize, and appreciate more, what is important - and what ain't.
I am becoming more like my Mentors, this is a good thing.
Mentors always said a person got a right to make a fool of themselves and no matter if you try to stop them, they are gonna continue on until they do so.
"Don't meddle, unless a safety matter, quicker they make a fool of themselves, quicker they get it out their system, and the quicker we ain't got to put up with that nonsense...
reason we fire folks, and have nothing to do with some, these are the ones that'll find something to be a fool about".
steve
I'm fifty-one. To be honest, and I have told many on this board in posts, thru PM, Email and landline, I really do not know a lot about a lot of stuff - including firearms and loads.
Heck in Tulsa, with some Members here, I shared , I have no friggin' idea what a _____is , I had one pointed out to me. I admit, don't have idea how the MOA is, hand me something I have never handled, and I am going to ask you to show me everything about how it works and how to make safe.
I do not care if this means a 8 year old girl with a purple/ pink rifle, or a older person with a Mil-Surp, or a Person with Blackpowder.
I do not feel bad, stupid, ashamed or nothing, just being honest. Honest some more is, I do not really care about some things, and it means nothing to me to know there is about everything.
I went thru that phase as a kid with Cars...fishing reels, some guns, and other material stuff.
It is no big deal and I for sure ain't either.
Somethings I do know about, I know about. I mean this is what interests me, what I have experiences in and what I pass forward to others.
I can tell if someone is blowing smoke to impress themselves - even if I have no friggin' idea of the genre', be it guns, furniture, types of carpet, whatever.
Then again I can be as dumb as a brick - when I know the subject , and let another make a fool of themselves.
A well known shooter and I were shooting shotguns. Acually we were piddling with some, shooting from the hip , just goofing off. Some fella offered to give us lessons. We thanked him and said we were just having fun and someday if we wanted to "be as good as him" we would consider getting lessons.
Well known shooter and I had just 50/50 at skeet. Same fella and I for fun have limited out on doves shooting from the hip...one reason were were "goofing off" and shooting from the hip. Limit is 15 doves, shooters get 15 shells, the game is whom gets the most doves with the fewest shells fired.
I've taken 15 doves with 11 shells. Well known shooter beat me with only using 10.
Heck we hunted birds/doves using only single shot shotguns, it was about the people, the dogs, the kids , especially the kids for the first time out.
See I never cared about wanting to be a "wannabe" - still don't. Folks do not understand this.
Then again these folks do not understand why I get all worked up watching a kid's face light up, shooting a shotgun, felling that first dove, outrunning the dog to get it. They do not understand why I get a lump in my throat, watching a grandpa help a little grandkid shoot a shotgun or .22 rifle he is passing on. Why that grandkid I have to take out and let shoot, take on a first hunt, grandpa did not live long enought to do so , and I promised.
Life is too short for me worry about stuff not important, and waste energies on stuff that is important to me.
Heck I have no need to impress anyone, especially me. I respect and admire those that know a genre' and can share history , preserve it in works, pictures and sharings.
I was younger once , and had great Mentors. All thru my life I have had great folks to share with me.
I went thru phases of having to limit out on fish, or game, or know the names of all the cars, anything.
Mentors let me develop, and go thru stages, all the while passing forward.
Firearms, we did not have all the choices we have today. I am still using, and prefer the choices that fit me, for my tasks going back 40 yrs.
If I want to call it a 12 bore I will. Just how raised. Lever action meant a Savage, Winchester , or Marlin. Little critter is a 28 ga, Littlest Critter a .410.
Coke means a Coca Cola , RC, SevenUp, Dr. Pepper, or ...
Older I get, the more I realize, and appreciate more, what is important - and what ain't.
I am becoming more like my Mentors, this is a good thing.
Mentors always said a person got a right to make a fool of themselves and no matter if you try to stop them, they are gonna continue on until they do so.
"Don't meddle, unless a safety matter, quicker they make a fool of themselves, quicker they get it out their system, and the quicker we ain't got to put up with that nonsense...
reason we fire folks, and have nothing to do with some, these are the ones that'll find something to be a fool about".
steve
nitesite
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I've talked with several guys at the outdoor range who brag that shooting Wolf .223 is the way to go.
"It's cheaper, and besides... it's steel-cased so it penetrates barriers better."
Once had a guy come into work and brag that he killed a deer facing head on with a .264-Winchester "right at 800-yards. My shot entered the briskit and blew the whole tail clean off its butt." When asked how much hold-over he doped, he said that it's such a flat shooting round that he didn't hold over at all!
A co-worker once bought a Browning .308 A-bolt with the BOSS system because he thought it was a silencer. Said he was going to kill his ex-wife from far off and needed to be quiet. Sadly, he was a 15-year veteran of the Army National Guard and didn't know **** about rifles.
Last week I spoke with someone who proclaimed that he saw a CSI episode showing that you could shoot a pistol with a potato held against the muzzle and it acted like an effective silencer. (There may be a bit of truth to that, but I ain't gonna attempt it!)
Isn't a 10mm supposed to have some mythical powers that science is just beginning to explore? I hope so, because I own a Glock 29 and am convinced that it will create some kind of super-nova when it hits something.
"It's cheaper, and besides... it's steel-cased so it penetrates barriers better."
Once had a guy come into work and brag that he killed a deer facing head on with a .264-Winchester "right at 800-yards. My shot entered the briskit and blew the whole tail clean off its butt." When asked how much hold-over he doped, he said that it's such a flat shooting round that he didn't hold over at all!
A co-worker once bought a Browning .308 A-bolt with the BOSS system because he thought it was a silencer. Said he was going to kill his ex-wife from far off and needed to be quiet. Sadly, he was a 15-year veteran of the Army National Guard and didn't know **** about rifles.
Last week I spoke with someone who proclaimed that he saw a CSI episode showing that you could shoot a pistol with a potato held against the muzzle and it acted like an effective silencer. (There may be a bit of truth to that, but I ain't gonna attempt it!)
Isn't a 10mm supposed to have some mythical powers that science is just beginning to explore? I hope so, because I own a Glock 29 and am convinced that it will create some kind of super-nova when it hits something.
MachIVshooter
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Clearly, the individual simply confused two rounds.
The .357 Sig uses .355" (9mm) bullets. Sig chose to name the round ".357 Sig" to associate it's performance with the venerable .357 S&W magnum (though it has nowhere near the potential of the real .357).
Now"magnum" has become a fairly loose term these days. By definition, it means increased perfomance. Back in the day, it was applied correctly. The .357 magnum had considerably more power than the .38 spl., the .44 mag was 3 fold over the .44 spl. Today, the term is used liberally to aid in sales. People like to buy something that sounds bigger and meaner, and the industry is happy to oblige by giving that magnum nomenclature to non-deserving cartridges (the .500 S&W magnum, which preceeded the .500 spl. by three years). IMO, to cal something a "magnum", it must have a more sedate predecessor.
Amen, SM! I'm nearly 48 and I realized years ago I don't know everything, don't come close to knowing everything, nor will I ever know everything about anything. And you know what? I don't care. Sometimes I know more, sometimes I know less than the other guy.
I've also noticed that as I've gotten older I care less and less about arguing or trying to correct someone who is obviously full of garbage. It usually just ticks them off. So now, I usually just nod and say "Really?" It's often entertaining then to see just how high they'll pile it on then.
I've also noticed that as I've gotten older I care less and less about arguing or trying to correct someone who is obviously full of garbage. It usually just ticks them off. So now, I usually just nod and say "Really?" It's often entertaining then to see just how high they'll pile it on then.
Woodsmoke
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MACH IV
Didn't Sig Sauer market the .357 sig as having magnum performance in an autoloader?
That could be where the confusion came from.
I found this link that has it listed as .357 Automag as another name for the round.
http://www.answers.com/topic/357-sig
Is this a common name for the .357 Sig?
Didn't Sig Sauer market the .357 sig as having magnum performance in an autoloader?
That could be where the confusion came from.
I found this link that has it listed as .357 Automag as another name for the round.
http://www.answers.com/topic/357-sig
Is this a common name for the .357 Sig?
Still 2 Many Choices!?
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nitesite,
Wolf will penetrate SOME barriers better(or atleast hold together better), but it has to do with not being crimped at the cannelure like nato spec 5.56, not a steel jacket. I wouldn't fire steel jacketed ammo in my AR's, even though they are chrome-lined !
Still 2 Many Choices!?
Wolf will penetrate SOME barriers better(or atleast hold together better), but it has to do with not being crimped at the cannelure like nato spec 5.56, not a steel jacket. I wouldn't fire steel jacketed ammo in my AR's, even though they are chrome-lined
!Still 2 Many Choices!?
Stiletto Null
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^^^
They're copper-coated (washed?) and rather soft steel, you know.
Actually, I'm thinking of 7.62x39. AFAIK, Wolf 5.56 is just copper-over-lead, just with really thick jackets (no fragmentation).
They're copper-coated (washed?) and rather soft steel, you know.
Actually, I'm thinking of 7.62x39. AFAIK, Wolf 5.56 is just copper-over-lead, just with really thick jackets (no fragmentation).
Still 2 Many Choices wrote
Still 2 Many Choices wrote "Wolf will penetrate SOME barriers better(or at least hold together better), but it has to do with not being crimped at the cannelure like nato spec 5.56, not a steel jacket. I wouldn't fire steel jacketed ammo in my AR's, even though they are chrome-lined !"
Re-read Nitesite's post. His friends thought it would penetrate better because of the steel case. The wolf bullet is a 55gr copper jacketed (FMJ). The steel case they were talking about is the powder case. Wolf casings are made of steel not brass. The box reads
.223 Rem
55 gr. copper HP
steel case
Non-corrosive Berdan primed
RH
Still 2 Many Choices wrote "Wolf will penetrate SOME barriers better(or at least hold together better), but it has to do with not being crimped at the cannelure like nato spec 5.56, not a steel jacket. I wouldn't fire steel jacketed ammo in my AR's, even though they are chrome-lined !"
Re-read Nitesite's post. His friends thought it would penetrate better because of the steel case. The wolf bullet is a 55gr copper jacketed (FMJ). The steel case they were talking about is the powder case. Wolf casings are made of steel not brass. The box reads
.223 Rem
55 gr. copper HP
steel case
Non-corrosive Berdan primed
RH
Beachmaster
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My favorite is when I hear that the AK and M16 series military style rifles were not designed to be "aimed". but rather they just spray their target area with bullets, so they kill many people. Thats why they need those large dangerous magazines!
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