michiganfan
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What does it take to chamber a second. I can draw my Glock from it Fobus holster and put three shots on target in a little over a second. So the fight would be over before you got before gun chambered.
Accidental Discharge Experience
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I was disscusing this post with a coworker and mentioned my AD that i had posted earlyer. He then told me about his own AD . He was 16 and a friend was showing him a .40 cal pistol (dont remember the make). The friend hands him the pistol telling him "its not loaded". Well my coworker then while holding the gun in his left hand pulled the trigger, sending a .40 cal round thru his right hand. The bullet nearly severed his index and middle finger. Four surgeries later and lots of rehab he is now able to use his right hand.
He broke 2 rules then and it nearly cost him the use of his right hand. I have shot with him several times and can say for sure that he learned his lesson. He is very carefull with firearms .... Now.
He broke 2 rules then and it nearly cost him the use of his right hand. I have shot with him several times and can say for sure that he learned his lesson. He is very carefull with firearms .... Now.
mljdeckard
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Nope, he broke all four. He failed to treat the gun as is it were loaded, he put his finger inside the trigger guard before he was ready to shoot, he pointed the gun at something he wasn't willing to destroy, and he failed to properly identify his target and what was beyond it. That's the thing about these rules. when someone gets hurt, they broke ALL FOUR rules, not just one or two.
Think of a given negligent discharge where someone got hurt... mljdeckard is right. In fact, any number of the rules can be broken and as long as that number is < 4, no one can get hurt. For anyone paying attention, redundancy is a good barrier to the human stupidity that results in people getting hurt or killed in firearms "accidents."
I've been carrying handguns concealed for about four years now, and they have always had a round in the chamber. I don't want to caught in a situation where someone has one of my arms pinned, and I can't rack the slide. Just my $.02.
coylh
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How about not pulling the trigger of a loaded gun.
coylh
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It's even safer if you store the magazine separately. You'll probably have plenty of time during a life threating emergency to make your gun ready.
Ignition Override
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I'm still somewhat of a novice with all of this, and only have carbines (am 53).
A buddy at Saturday's gun show in Germantown TN told me a story.
An older guy was showing somebody his handgun at home after checking that the chamber was empty and kept the slide back.
But he inserted a loaded mag into the gun, then released the slide.
Luckily he aimed it at the floor before pulling the trigger. Bang.
The bullet (9mm or .380 ACP etc) went through a chair and then maybe into some diving equipment.
The gun had also loaded a second round into the chamber and was cocked.
We seldom hear/read to check anything except that the chamber is empty.
This is why I always keep any loaded mags and ammo in another room when cleaning or disassembling a rifle, and never in the same gun bag until ready to shoot.
My impressions are that many long-term gun owners in their 50s and 60s believe that their experience prevents them from making a serious mistake. This is from incidents where people are either older guys who are seasoned or are maybe new at owning a handgun.
Some seem to be almost as complacent as newer shooters.
A buddy at Saturday's gun show in Germantown TN told me a story.
An older guy was showing somebody his handgun at home after checking that the chamber was empty and kept the slide back.
But he inserted a loaded mag into the gun, then released the slide.
Luckily he aimed it at the floor before pulling the trigger. Bang.
The bullet (9mm or .380 ACP etc) went through a chair and then maybe into some diving equipment.
The gun had also loaded a second round into the chamber and was cocked.
We seldom hear/read to check anything except that the chamber is empty.
This is why I always keep any loaded mags and ammo in another room when cleaning or disassembling a rifle, and never in the same gun bag until ready to shoot.
My impressions are that many long-term gun owners in their 50s and 60s believe that their experience prevents them from making a serious mistake. This is from incidents where people are either older guys who are seasoned or are maybe new at owning a handgun.
Some seem to be almost as complacent as newer shooters.
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rainbowbob
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For maximum safety...store the firearm in one safe, the magazine in another, and the cartridges in yet another.
ljnowell
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Why do you need a safety to remember not to pull the trigger?
poor_richard
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This is an interesting observation. When I talk about a “chamber check”, I am referring to first dropping the magazine, then checking the chamber.Ignition Override said:
For me, “making the gun safe” means dropping the mag, and checking the chamber. You could even go further to say, “lock the action open”.
Alternative safeguards are well and fine, but the four rules should always be forefront.
http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
Alternative safeguards should never replace the four rules.
I’ve always been curious how people reconcile the practice of dry firing with rule #1 (I’m thinking that second rule would account for it).
If you have the right type of sights on your gun, you can rack it one handed by hooking the rear sights on your belt and pushing down. I've practiced this with snap caps and it is pretty easy to do with some practice.
That said, I carry one in the pipe, decocked and with the safety on. (HK USP V1)
Honestly, if it bothers you to have a round in the chamber, do not carry a semi auto. Today's revolvers are the best ever. I never feel underarmed with a good gun. Its how you employ the gun that counts.
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
The above says it all.
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
The above says it all.
stupid inexperienced discharge....
I've kept a revolver in my bedside table all my life.. a couple years ago I got the bug.. I went out and bought a new GP100... I loved it and I dry fired the thing to death breaking in the trigger. When it was loaded it was easy to see and you could even hear the cartridges rattle... no problem. One day I went out and bought 5 new handguns.... all semi-automatics..had never owned a semi-automatic.. I had had them about 3 days.... and had not loaded them...... Well I had new toys... so I was showing them to friends.... I was still a dry firer.. out of habit... I showed one of my non-gun friends my new PT-100, I demonstrated how it worked... I slipped in a couple cartridges.... slipped in the mag...set the pistol down and went to the next gun to show it off..showed him every gun..tested triggers.... Next morning... still very happy with my new pistols.... picked up the first one.. tested the trigger, nice..... picked up the PT-100... pointed it down, pulled the trigger felt the double action..all is good..racked it to feel the single action..... took aim at a picture across the room covering my breaker box. Pulled the trigger, expected click, got BOOM
!! My ears were ringing, I was mortified, it shook me up pretty good...
I was sure it had gone through a wall and out through a window and out on the street in front of the building... so I walked around the building looked at the windows, all intact.... no police cars
I came back in, took the picture off the wall, there was a pretty .40 caliber hole on the frame of the breaker box, it missed the
breakers... I took the frame off the box and in the bottom of the steel breaker box was the flat bullet....what a relief..
no damage except for the hole.... whew!
Today I'm glad it happened, that was my freeby, that was my lesson of reality... So what do I do different? I don't dry fire, I don't pull a trigger anywhere I don't want to shoot, I keep fingers off triggers, I keep them all loaded, racked and safetied and in a gun safe... I sold my Glocks. ... I require an external safety, that's my idiot proof, if I were to have a non-thinking dry-fire, the safety would stop me, if I'm confronted with bad guy, I would flip it off.... I've spent a lot of time at the range, have bought still more pistols, have not had any other mishaps.... I'm very lucky, I learned my lesson, it could have been a lot worse... humans make mistakes, especially when you're inexperienced. I treat every gun as if they are loaded.... (mine are) and if I unload it I assume somebody snuck in and loaded it....
I've kept a revolver in my bedside table all my life.. a couple years ago I got the bug.. I went out and bought a new GP100... I loved it and I dry fired the thing to death breaking in the trigger. When it was loaded it was easy to see and you could even hear the cartridges rattle... no problem. One day I went out and bought 5 new handguns.... all semi-automatics..had never owned a semi-automatic.. I had had them about 3 days.... and had not loaded them...... Well I had new toys... so I was showing them to friends.... I was still a dry firer.. out of habit... I showed one of my non-gun friends my new PT-100, I demonstrated how it worked... I slipped in a couple cartridges.... slipped in the mag...set the pistol down and went to the next gun to show it off..showed him every gun..tested triggers.... Next morning... still very happy with my new pistols.... picked up the first one.. tested the trigger, nice..... picked up the PT-100... pointed it down, pulled the trigger felt the double action..all is good..racked it to feel the single action..... took aim at a picture across the room covering my breaker box. Pulled the trigger, expected click, got BOOM
!! My ears were ringing, I was mortified, it shook me up pretty good...I was sure it had gone through a wall and out through a window and out on the street in front of the building... so I walked around the building looked at the windows, all intact.... no police cars
I came back in, took the picture off the wall, there was a pretty .40 caliber hole on the frame of the breaker box, it missed the breakers... I took the frame off the box and in the bottom of the steel breaker box was the flat bullet....what a relief..
no damage except for the hole.... whew!
Today I'm glad it happened, that was my freeby, that was my lesson of reality... So what do I do different? I don't dry fire, I don't pull a trigger anywhere I don't want to shoot, I keep fingers off triggers, I keep them all loaded, racked and safetied and in a gun safe... I sold my Glocks. ... I require an external safety, that's my idiot proof, if I were to have a non-thinking dry-fire, the safety would stop me, if I'm confronted with bad guy, I would flip it off.... I've spent a lot of time at the range, have bought still more pistols, have not had any other mishaps.... I'm very lucky, I learned my lesson, it could have been a lot worse... humans make mistakes, especially when you're inexperienced. I treat every gun as if they are loaded.... (mine are) and if I unload it I assume somebody snuck in and loaded it....
Welcome to THR! It sounds like you're a safety Nazi now, but keep in mind that your skills could suffer without regular dry fire practice. Also, an external safety would not have prevented your negligent discharge from occurring. Glad no one got hurt.
Thanks,
It's true an external safety wouldn't have saved that one because my mental safety system was simply not in place... I do dry fire my revolvers.... alot.... to the point that I never load them except at the range.... I'm afraid of just picking it up and start clicking..even though I still check it before I dry fire....what if I load it and then do the old one more click out of habit.. which would be banging... but they aren't my self defense pistols..... my carry pistol is my Taurus PT145 I load it, and flip the safety, no hammer dropping no nothing.... and the safety on it is so slick and convenient.....
It's true an external safety wouldn't have saved that one because my mental safety system was simply not in place... I do dry fire my revolvers.... alot.... to the point that I never load them except at the range.... I'm afraid of just picking it up and start clicking..even though I still check it before I dry fire....what if I load it and then do the old one more click out of habit.. which would be banging... but they aren't my self defense pistols..... my carry pistol is my Taurus PT145 I load it, and flip the safety, no hammer dropping no nothing.... and the safety on it is so slick and convenient.....
woodchuck315
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#1 rule of owning guns: they are always loaded, If you want them to be not loaded, Drop the mag, Check the chamber, check it again, then right before your going to drop the hammer or otherwise, check it again. Use snap caps, and check a few times that it IS a snap cap (I use A-Zoom, red, easily distinguishable from a brass round), then dryfire.
#2 rule: If you cant follow rule #1, sell your guns and take up knitting. Better yet, something without pointy sticks....
My Kel-tec P-11 is loaded 99% of the time. By loaded I mean its actually got a live 115gr Gold Dot up the pipe, and 10 more in the mag. If I want to dry fire it, I take out the mag, lock the slide back, removing the live round, and insert a SEPARATE mag with one snap cap in it, then press check the slide a few times to ensure it is just a snap cap. After the first trigger pull on a snap cap, I don't worry about it while The slide is forward (P-11's are true double action auto, I can just keep pulling the trigger to "fire" the gun)
My 1911 is in my safe with a loaded mag in it, but an empty chamber. I still check the chamber after dropping the mag, even though the hammer is kept down.
All my other guns stay unloaded, but I treat them as loaded until I clear the action and check chamber.
Had a pellet gun go off once that My brother had, unknowingly, left cocked and loaded (break barrel) It was pointed at the ceiling, so no worries, nothin but rafters up there, and I doubt it made it far, only ~500fps gun. almost certain it didnt make it through drywall ceiling, and plywood. Patched the hole up with toothpaste (haha it works...)
I prefer the term Ignorant Discharge better. Think about it...
#2 rule: If you cant follow rule #1, sell your guns and take up knitting. Better yet, something without pointy sticks....
My Kel-tec P-11 is loaded 99% of the time. By loaded I mean its actually got a live 115gr Gold Dot up the pipe, and 10 more in the mag. If I want to dry fire it, I take out the mag, lock the slide back, removing the live round, and insert a SEPARATE mag with one snap cap in it, then press check the slide a few times to ensure it is just a snap cap. After the first trigger pull on a snap cap, I don't worry about it while The slide is forward (P-11's are true double action auto, I can just keep pulling the trigger to "fire" the gun)
My 1911 is in my safe with a loaded mag in it, but an empty chamber. I still check the chamber after dropping the mag, even though the hammer is kept down.
All my other guns stay unloaded, but I treat them as loaded until I clear the action and check chamber.
Had a pellet gun go off once that My brother had, unknowingly, left cocked and loaded (break barrel) It was pointed at the ceiling, so no worries, nothin but rafters up there, and I doubt it made it far, only ~500fps gun. almost certain it didnt make it through drywall ceiling, and plywood. Patched the hole up with toothpaste (haha it works...)
I prefer the term Ignorant Discharge better. Think about it...
Well if I really want to dry fire one of my semi's I check it and recheck it and the first few pulls of the trigger I point down at a stack of magazines.... then I load it and flip the safety..... I'm a photographer of 23 years.. early in my career I had finished a shoot and before rewinding the film I popped the back of the camera... although nobody gets killed.... it can cost alot of money.... From that point on when I hit exposure 36, I was rewinding without thought..... It takes a minute for safe habits to become habits.... I never fogged another roll of film..... I hope I never have another unintended discharge ... accidental, ignorant, negligent or otherwise... I've since implemented the safety habits till they are well uh.... habits...
ChCx2744
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I'm surprised some people are sharing. I only know of one situation where I was present and an AD happened; I was not the one who AD'ed btw. I would never talk about something like this. Sorry if I'm not contributing to the thread with my reply, but things like AD's are not something that should be discussed. Just take caution and do your best not to let something like that happen again, whether it is your fault or not. If you are present when there are firearms around, (I hate to sound selfish, but..) make sure you take the necessary steps to at least protect the most important thing in that room to you: you.
If you are asking for ADVICE or TIPS on how to avoid another AD in the future or saftey precautions to pass onto others, then that's fine, but I would C.Y.A. for your own sake by not informing others about your AD experience
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If you are asking for ADVICE or TIPS on how to avoid another AD in the future or saftey precautions to pass onto others, then that's fine, but I would C.Y.A. for your own sake by not informing others about your AD experience
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RSABear
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AD's can be avoided by following the golden rules but my additional advice is,
1. Remember to remove the magazine when unloading your Pistol, going outside is a good idea, but better if you do it on the lawn and not on the portch, somehow this step can be skipped...
2. When you return home from chasing two armed robbers, remember to put your thumb on the hammer before putting your finger on the trigger while dropping the hammer of your .38spl, also do it outside your home and not behind your bar while aiming at your fridge...
Lessons learnt.
1. Remember to remove the magazine when unloading your Pistol, going outside is a good idea, but better if you do it on the lawn and not on the portch, somehow this step can be skipped...
2. When you return home from chasing two armed robbers, remember to put your thumb on the hammer before putting your finger on the trigger while dropping the hammer of your .38spl, also do it outside your home and not behind your bar while aiming at your fridge...
Lessons learnt.
it can happen to ANYONE even when safty is used
well.....i hate to say it but.......no matter how much care you take in handling a firearm.....a AD...can and may happen to you.....
I personally own over 40 firearms, mostly pistols, mostly semi-autos..
i have taken over 45 hours of tactical and safety courses at FrontSight in Nevada. I have been shooting for almost 13 years with no issues what-so-ever.
i have fired over 2,000 rounds in a single month.
BUT.....yesterday morning...
i woke up, took my usual shower, ate breakfast, and decided to clean my Taurus PT92 AF 9mm pistol because i had been at the range the day before doing routine target practice.
I opened up my range bag, removed my pistol *i always keep her loaded with one up the pipe for self defense reasons*.
i removed the magazine per usual and went to pull the slide back to eject the chambered round, half way though the slide pull my doorbell rang . i gently let the slide back into position and set the firearm on my coffee table and went to answer the door.....was just the mailman with a package like every other day here.
I returned to my seat on my couch, took a sip of my coffee and placed my hand on my pistol , finger off the trigger and BANG! my firearm discharged.
at first i didnt really know what happend, kind of a "did that REALLY just go off?" thought.....for a split second, my second thought was OH MY GOD! I HAVE NEGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL!......i ran across my lawn *live in a duplex* next door and pounded on the front door....the woman who lives there answered the door with her 17 year old son beside her........after asking if they were both okay i entered the house , the round had gone through my solid oak entertainment center, both layers of drywall *mine and hers* and ended up piercing the steel entry door on the other side of the room. 16 police officers, 1 CSI unit, and 4 hours later i was sitting on my couch......firearm confiscated, with a "reckless conduct" summons in my hand. i sat there for about 5 minutes before the tears started to fall......and it set in that my firearm had almost killed a 17 year old boy who was sitting not 2 feet from where the 115g JHP had stopped.
I have run the incedent through my mind thousands of times since then, trying to figure out exactly what went wrong, and how the firearm discharged. I know i did not touch the trigger, i knew there was a round in the chamber. i knew it was a LIVE FIREARM.....and took every normal percaution to make sure i handled it safely....
Today i called Taurus MFG. to ask them if they had any reports of the PT92 discharging without the trigger being pulled.
Their answer was simple.......YES....if someone has previously tampered with, or altered the mainspring in the trigger relay......the trigger pull on the weapon is so light, that any pressure on the relay rod *along side the right side of pistol* will cause the hammer to drop......and a round to discharge...
long story short........i bought the gun used 2 weeks ago at a local gun shop......and some tool that owned it before me tried to make a DA/SA with a light trigger pull lighter.....and a 17yo boy was almost killed while watching a skateboarding video .........
DONT EVER BELIVE THAT A FIREARM IS SAFE! dont ever think it wont happen to you and for gods sake......dont alter your weapons critical parts........a normal day for me turned into something that may cost me severely.......and could have cost someone more..........take this to heart guys.....
well.....i hate to say it but.......no matter how much care you take in handling a firearm.....a AD...can and may happen to you.....
I personally own over 40 firearms, mostly pistols, mostly semi-autos..
i have taken over 45 hours of tactical and safety courses at FrontSight in Nevada. I have been shooting for almost 13 years with no issues what-so-ever.
i have fired over 2,000 rounds in a single month.
BUT.....yesterday morning...
i woke up, took my usual shower, ate breakfast, and decided to clean my Taurus PT92 AF 9mm pistol because i had been at the range the day before doing routine target practice.
I opened up my range bag, removed my pistol *i always keep her loaded with one up the pipe for self defense reasons*.
i removed the magazine per usual and went to pull the slide back to eject the chambered round, half way though the slide pull my doorbell rang . i gently let the slide back into position and set the firearm on my coffee table and went to answer the door.....was just the mailman with a package like every other day here.
I returned to my seat on my couch, took a sip of my coffee and placed my hand on my pistol , finger off the trigger and BANG! my firearm discharged.
at first i didnt really know what happend, kind of a "did that REALLY just go off?" thought.....for a split second, my second thought was OH MY GOD! I HAVE NEGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL!......i ran across my lawn *live in a duplex* next door and pounded on the front door....the woman who lives there answered the door with her 17 year old son beside her........after asking if they were both okay i entered the house , the round had gone through my solid oak entertainment center, both layers of drywall *mine and hers* and ended up piercing the steel entry door on the other side of the room. 16 police officers, 1 CSI unit, and 4 hours later i was sitting on my couch......firearm confiscated, with a "reckless conduct" summons in my hand. i sat there for about 5 minutes before the tears started to fall......and it set in that my firearm had almost killed a 17 year old boy who was sitting not 2 feet from where the 115g JHP had stopped.
I have run the incedent through my mind thousands of times since then, trying to figure out exactly what went wrong, and how the firearm discharged. I know i did not touch the trigger, i knew there was a round in the chamber. i knew it was a LIVE FIREARM.....and took every normal percaution to make sure i handled it safely....
Today i called Taurus MFG. to ask them if they had any reports of the PT92 discharging without the trigger being pulled.
Their answer was simple.......YES....if someone has previously tampered with, or altered the mainspring in the trigger relay......the trigger pull on the weapon is so light, that any pressure on the relay rod *along side the right side of pistol* will cause the hammer to drop......and a round to discharge...
long story short........i bought the gun used 2 weeks ago at a local gun shop......and some tool that owned it before me tried to make a DA/SA with a light trigger pull lighter.....and a 17yo boy was almost killed while watching a skateboarding video .........
DONT EVER BELIVE THAT A FIREARM IS SAFE! dont ever think it wont happen to you and for gods sake......dont alter your weapons critical parts........a normal day for me turned into something that may cost me severely.......and could have cost someone more..........take this to heart guys.....
Shung
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Can't remember if i already told it here, but anyway...
A negligent discharge happend to me once, and was a good lesson learned.. some years ago.
here is the layout. I had got my AR-15 M4 from a couple of weeks and I decided, to practice at home^(isolated house ), some malfunction drills. I went to a safe place, in front of a 2 feet stone wall covered with a pile of wood.
i took my dummy rounds box, which was in my mother laundry.. (this detail is important as you will see it later) next to the garage-
So i just mechanically loaded a full mag of dummies and staterd to practice stove pipe or double feeds etc, and i always ended my actions with a trigger action, in a direction I knew was safe (4 rules..), the twood that was sitting in front of the 2 feet wall..
I did it for about 25min when I decided to end up my work by making all the dummy rounds go out the magasine from the jection port. When all would have been out, i'd have been over with the exercice..
At some point, I simulated a malfunction, racked the bolt, loaded a new round, and pulled the trigger aiming at the tronc...
BAAAAAAAAAAAAANG !!! my ears were painfull and I was kinda shocked.. 1st thing I did when i got back in my mind was to remove the mag, and empty the chamber from the next dummy that was loaded...
after securing my weapon, I looked for the impact, and made sure the bullet had stopped there. Fortunately it had..
than I looked for the spent brass.. after a while I did find it, and it was, a nice and usual 5.56 GP90, the ammo I shoot at the range..
I checked all the dummies i had and they were all DUMMIES...
So i started thinking and after a while I found what had happened..
Since my dummy box was sitting in the laundry (next to the garage and tools) , it most probably happenend that my mother washed one of my pants or shirt without telling me, and eventually retrieved one live cartridge from my pocket, which I had forgotten to shoot at the range for some reasons...
And what really looks like the most to a swiss military brass dummy ??? I tell you, a GP90 cartridge.. and mum thought it was a wise thing to put it all together for me...
Can't blame her. I was the FOOL here, not checking each dummy...
Next step for me was to trash ALL my swiss military dummies, since they really are too close from a live cartridge, and bought some nice orange plastic dummies..
i also remove the dummy box from the laundry, and never forgot to check my pockets when i was out of the range..
this accident and my negligence taught me a lot about gun safety, and nowadays I am much more aware of these things.
the important thing is that, respecting the 4 safety rules, you can still have surprises, but you should stay safe for you and everybody else..
that was my "mea culpa maxima".. hope it helps other people to know about it.
A negligent discharge happend to me once, and was a good lesson learned.. some years ago.
here is the layout. I had got my AR-15 M4 from a couple of weeks and I decided, to practice at home^(isolated house ), some malfunction drills. I went to a safe place, in front of a 2 feet stone wall covered with a pile of wood.
i took my dummy rounds box, which was in my mother laundry.. (this detail is important as you will see it later) next to the garage-
So i just mechanically loaded a full mag of dummies and staterd to practice stove pipe or double feeds etc, and i always ended my actions with a trigger action, in a direction I knew was safe (4 rules..), the twood that was sitting in front of the 2 feet wall..
I did it for about 25min when I decided to end up my work by making all the dummy rounds go out the magasine from the jection port. When all would have been out, i'd have been over with the exercice..
At some point, I simulated a malfunction, racked the bolt, loaded a new round, and pulled the trigger aiming at the tronc...
BAAAAAAAAAAAAANG !!! my ears were painfull and I was kinda shocked.. 1st thing I did when i got back in my mind was to remove the mag, and empty the chamber from the next dummy that was loaded...
after securing my weapon, I looked for the impact, and made sure the bullet had stopped there. Fortunately it had..
than I looked for the spent brass.. after a while I did find it, and it was, a nice and usual 5.56 GP90, the ammo I shoot at the range..
I checked all the dummies i had and they were all DUMMIES...
So i started thinking and after a while I found what had happened..
Since my dummy box was sitting in the laundry (next to the garage and tools) , it most probably happenend that my mother washed one of my pants or shirt without telling me, and eventually retrieved one live cartridge from my pocket, which I had forgotten to shoot at the range for some reasons...
And what really looks like the most to a swiss military brass dummy ??? I tell you, a GP90 cartridge.. and mum thought it was a wise thing to put it all together for me...
Can't blame her. I was the FOOL here, not checking each dummy...
Next step for me was to trash ALL my swiss military dummies, since they really are too close from a live cartridge, and bought some nice orange plastic dummies..
i also remove the dummy box from the laundry, and never forgot to check my pockets when i was out of the range..
this accident and my negligence taught me a lot about gun safety, and nowadays I am much more aware of these things.
the important thing is that, respecting the 4 safety rules, you can still have surprises, but you should stay safe for you and everybody else..
that was my "mea culpa maxima".. hope it helps other people to know about it.
rbernie
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Thanks for sharing.
Smith6906 - I suspect that you need to find a lawyer to deal with this part of the story.
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