Accidental Discharge Experience

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No such thing as an "accidental discharge." There are only "intentional" and "negligent" discharges.

Accidental discharges are exceedingly rare, but they do occur. They are always expressly the result of an unforeseeable mechanical malfunction. I had a true as day accidental discharge once, with an old Remington 700 .30-06 rifle. My friend had given it to me to fire off a few rounds, I checked for obstructions in the barrel, loaded three rounds, cycled the bolt, took aim, attempted to squeeze the trigger but it wouldn't break. I pulled harder, still nothing. So I lowered the rifle from my shoulder (still pointed down range), and was wondering to myself what could be wrong, and suddenly BOOM! All my fingers were wrapped around the stock, none of them were even close to the trigger. The rifle fired with no manipulation of the trigger, whatsoever. Fortunately, I had followed the other rule that states "Never point the muzzle at anything you're not willing to destroy," and had it pointed safely down range at the time. Still scared the bejeezus out of me.

So once again, accidental discharges can happen, they're just very, very rare.
 
Also, the way you handle your firearm should not differ one iota - whether it is chambered or not. It shouldn't make one bit of difference. If you cannot be safe with a firearm unless it is unchambered, then you cannot be safe with a firearm. Period.


Some very profound advice from Sharpie.
 
We have a simple system at our house.

If a gun is needed for immediate use (home defense let's say) then it is kept loaded and out of the safe. If you need it for immediate use, then it has to be ready to go bang at an instant's notice, right? Semi-auto handguns with one in the pipe, and shotgun in "cruiser ready" status (full tube magazine, empty chamber).

If a gun is NOT needed for immediate use, it gets completely, totally unloaded and locked in the safe. When going in, the last thing before the door closes the gun is double-checked to be sure it is unloaded. When removing from the safe, the guns is again double-checked to be sure it is unloaded. Those gremlins who live in the safe would love to put one over on me someday by loading one of my "unloaded" guns there in the dark.

With this system, I will never reach for a gun in a defensive context and find it unloaded. Every gun you can see and touch without working a key WILL go BANG if mishandled. Everyone in the home knows this and treats it as such without fail. That said, I live in dread of the day when one of us will have an accidental (rather, negligent) boom-boom. "All guns are always loaded..." for us is a reality - it WILL go bang and we have adapted to handling them all with great respect.

I have the same attitude towards having an ND as I do towards dying - I know that someday, eventually, it will happen to me... I just keep trying to push that date out as far as possible LOL!
 
We all make mistakes. The 4 rules of gun safety are designed so that if you break 1 of them, you are still covered by the rest. It was embarassing and eye opening, but nobody got hurt, so don't beat yourself up over it. It is essential that you learn from the experience. The lesson is not "don't keep the gun loaded" or "don't keep a round in the chamber" or any nonsense like that. It wasn't the gun's fault. The problem was that your booger hook touched the bang switch and you pulled the trigger. Make sure in the future to never, ever touch the trigger of a gun until you intend to fire it. If you are dry firing, check and double check that the chamber is empty before firing it. Telling yourself "well I won't keep anything in the chamber" will just cause this to happen again. Regardless of whether the gun is chambered or not, you always need to check it before dry firing.

Now you know, and knowing is half of the battle. Go Joe!
 
Everyone that has stressed the four rules of safety are absolutely correct...but keep in mind that Col. Cooper himself had a negligent discharge. As I recall, he blasted a gas meter through the window with a nice Mod. 29 smith. I think his friends had it bronzed and presented it to him. He said something under his breath about "not supposed to happen" or something to that effect.

So don't feel too bad.
 
I'm glad nobody was hurt. You broke the rules, and luckily there were only eye opening consequences.


1. All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
4. Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.
 
AD only, with a SxS shot gun I was told that fired both chambers with either trigger being pulled once.

It did on the test. AD to me is always a broken gun. I expected the owner was correct, so it was no surprise when both barrels let fly on a single pull of one trigger.

I fixed that gun for him.

I have never yet suffered a ND, but then I treat ALL guns as if they are loaded, until I checked and I checked again.

I carry one or another version of 1911, and have one up the spout always. At times I find the one I have with the ambi safety in the fire position holsterd. That means I brushed on something that flipped the safety. That doesn't bother me a bit, since the grip safety still prevents the action from doing anything.
 
Put a load of 00 buck through the floorboards of the room over my garage. Managed to hit both the hot and cold water lines, sewer, electric, phone, and put a nice dent in the copper gas line. Luckily, all pellets were stopped by brick wall.

Scared the crap outta me, (and was a pain to fix) and I am a much safer gun handler as a result.
 
I finally received my carry permit, and ran out and bought the Springfield XD.45 that I wanted to use for this purpose. I loaded it, and thought since it was a carry piece that it should have a round in the chamber

I would suggest that anyone starting to carry a firearm in this manner that the time to familirize themselves with the operation. This tkaes more than a quick trip to the range. Buying and carrying in one stroke can result in what happened in your case.

Fortunatly you can chalk it up to a lession learned.

I carry only one of two handguns out of those that I own. Every week I practice with those two firearms in some manner at the range. Of course I now have the time and opportunity to do so and I couldn't expect everyone to spent time at a range that often but you can safely gain knowledge of the operation by simulation in some manner.

As afr as a round in the chamber, every one of my officers is required to carry their handgun in that manner. No problems to date. we actually have more in the way of AD's with our revolvers.. Go figure.
 
Jockey,
Join the club. Im super glad your ok and no one was hurt.

Kudos for keeping the other rules and pointing in a safe direction.

You say you were careless and had your finger in the trigger, it can happen to any of us and the reason why i dont like striker fire weapons.

I know, its no excuse to not practice good gun discipline, but i prefer 1911's anyway and fortunately they have a thumb safety and grip safety.

I have learned one thing though, there is absolutely no reason to dry fire if your not practicing. I dont even unload my weapon.

I get home, it comes off with the holster and gets set on my night stand as is. Morning comes, it goes in my waistband, as is.

Magazine springs and hammer springs cost little and contrary to some, do not "wear out" prematurely.

Take care.
 
I don't keep a round in the chamber. The rules of safety are great, but sh!7 happens regardless. I don't necessarily feel that my life is in more danger if it takes me an extra split second to rack the slide.

I'm glad you are fine. ADs, NDs, or whatever people choose to call them are like falling off the horse. If you don't get back on it right away, you'll always fear it. So dust yourself off and get back on it.
 
Glad to hear you weren't hurt! I wasn't so lucky but my AD happened with a holster that didn't protect the trigger on a semi-auto. Still, I went back to revolvers as I can tell instantly if a wheelgun is loaded, and if the trigger moves then the hammer moves which I can feel (all of my wheelguns have their hammers intact for this reason).

I would guess you will find it to be very worrisome carrying for a while and until you have some time practicing with the XD, not carrying one in the pipe might be a good idea. But carry, practice and check your holster to make sure it will protect from AD's.
 
I would rather carry my Beretta .40 because I like the hammer, and have spent a LOT of time with it, but the 90-Two model is fairly new and there just isn't a concealable holster avail. I'm gonna order some kydex and try to make my own IWB for it. I've got to admit, the striker type action is WAY different than anything I'm accustomed to!

Again, thank you all for the advice and words of encouragement!
 
My mentality is "all my firearms are loaded". So I treat them all the same. All my SD/HD/SHTF handguns are loaded with one round in the chamber. I wouldn't have it any other way. If I handle them, I make sure that the magazine is removed, the slide is locked back, and the chamber inspected. This is a habit I do my best to stay on top of.
 
I’ve not read all the comments yet, but will weigh in.

I won’t get into the rules of gun safety since it’s been done on this thread. What I will say is something I don’t think has been covered (maybe touched on). Gun familiarity goes beyond just, “being familiar with the gun”. A person can be around guns and shoot for over 30 years, but many people fall into that category who do not shoot more than a couple hundred rounds per year, if that much. Beyond that, they just don’t handle guns all that much.

Knowledge (includes familiarity) is not enough. Training is vitally important. I’m not saying that you need to go to Gunsite. I’m saying that you need to train with your weapon enough that your safety habits become natural. That could just mean dry firing it every night, or sending rounds down range.

Here’s an example:
When I’m in a gun shop and ask to look at a gun, the clerk will usually remove the gun from the case, drop the mag, perform a chamber check, re-insert the mag, and hand me the gun. Now, I just watched the clerk clear and safe the gun. Immediately after doing that he handed it to me (under my watchful eye). There is no way that that gun became loaded while I was watching this during the brief seconds that this happened. I also was able to see that the gun was safe when he did this.

Does that mean that I don’t need to perform a safety check? Absolutely not. Even though I saw and confirmed that he made the gun safe, I still perform my own safety check by immediately pointing in a safe direction, droping the mag, and checking chamber. The reasons for this are twofold. First, one should always do a chamber check on any firearm they handle, every time they handle it. Checking the chamber (even though I just watched someone else do it) insures that the person before me didn’t make a mistake, and that the gun is indeed clear. Second, it helps to instill and keep good habits, while at the same time avoiding bad habits. Every time I pick up a gun, I practice the cult of the ridged finger (trigger finger indexed rigidly along the slide to keep it out of, and off of the trigger guard), I point in a safe direction, and I clear the action (includes first dropping the mag on an auto). I do this not only because it’s proper, and safe gun handling, but also because, “I don’t want to practice bad habits, and picking up a gun without performing a chamber check is a bad habit.”

Many people are around guns all their life, and still don’t do these things. They use guns every year for hunting season, or they go to the range every week. Do these people perform chamber checks every time the pick up a gun? Many don’t. Do they keep their finger out of the trigger guard? I’ve seen people index their trigger finger on the trigger guard. Granted, it’s out of the trigger guard, but why not just get into the habit of rigidly indexing it along the slide where there’s less chance of it slipping into the trigger guard?

Someone mentioned that this is a result of the gun not having a safety. As with “familiarity”, a safety might have been a factor, but it doesn’t take away from the more important issue, and that is a lack of proper, safe gun handling. . It’s like I said to someone just last week. “Guns are supposed to go of when you pull the trigger.” If the safety is there, that doesn’t stop the person from keeping their trigger finger out of the trigger guard. The OP just needs to exercise his gun handling.

If your not comfortable with a real gun, then spend $40 on a cheap Airsoft gun to practice your (safe) gun handling skills.

There’s one thing about Glocks that I commented to someone about when I first acquired one. That is, because of the fact that I have to actually pull the trigger in order to take the gun down, it has a tendency to make me safer, because the alternative is drastic, and unforgiving.
 
First of all, let me say that I'm glad no one was hurt.
There will never be another chambered round in any of my weapons until I am ready to use it.
You didn't learn the right lesson, and you are misplacing the blame. The problem wasn't the chambered round, it was the fact that you pulled the trigger of a loaded gun when you didn't intend for it to fire.
I just don't know of any other way to prevent this from being a possibility again.
I'm sorry, but you know that's not true. If you've handled guns for 30 years then you certainly know how to prevent a gun from going off when you don't intend it.

If you blame this on an inanimate object (a chambered round) instead of on your own carelessness then you are throwing away a valuable lesson. Instead you should use it as a constant reminder of why you MUST pay attention to safety any time and all the time you're holding a gun.
 
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Also, a lot of people I know tend to have their duty/ccw weapons loaded, and they treat them as such. Then their firearms that are in the safe/closet that aren't "loaded" (unless they are at the range) are treated with less care. The fact is right now I know what I "believe" to be the status of my firearms. That they are all loaded except for my .45. However if I handle any of my weapons I will absolutely clear them prior to doing anything. Who knows, I might have loaded it after I cleaned it last, and since I haven't checked it lately, my memory might be wrong.

There is no such thing as a unloaded gun without verification. Anytime someone assigns a firearm as a gun thats "loaded only on the range, and clear the rest of the time" you are just setting yourself up for a ND. Unloaded only exists after you "properly" checked the status of a firearm your holding. There is a thing called complacency, thats what can be brought on when someone is a little bit to comfortable with handling firearms. There are just some things you don't do with firearms, one of thoes things is pull the trigger on any gun without clearing it first.
 
Just learn from it, glad no one was hurt.

I came very close myself. I had a 1911 on safe with the hammer back and no mag after a range visit. Understand that I clear all weapons on the range out of habit...I must have messed up that day. I almost pulled the trigger, thought about it and racked the slide only to see a loaded round fly out. I still have that round in my cleaning box to remind myself.
 
I'm the same way, I'll carry with a full clip, but un-chambered. You will get a lot of guys here say that gun is useless that way, but I think that's crap. How long does it take you to chamber the round if you need it, maybe a second? Then you are in business.

a Second is more time that it would take a zombie/thug to pull the trigger on their loaded weapon. To me it's not worth that risk. I'll be responsible and well trained and familiar with my carry piece(s) before i ever even consider carrying them. Then i don't have to worry about being ready to have a shot fired in the absolute minimum time required (God forbid i ever need to do so).

I had a ND once. Thumbed the saftey/decocker on a piece, safely pointed at the floor, ends up the hammer block broke and the chambered round hit the floor a few feet from my right foot. No harm done, other than the slide slicing through my thumb. I was aware of what i was doing, and had the gun pointed in a safe direction. Did serve to scare the living S*** out of others in the house though.

Learned my lesson, never trust a decocker to mechanically block the pin on a dropping hammer again. I'll always thumb the hammer down from now on.
 
Gun experience is not always experience for everything guns. I have seen fresh out of the service guys take a pistol and put their finger right to the trigger. I always suggest newbies should train or carry around the house with empty guns until they have the confidence to carry chambered. If you are not going to carry with one in the chamber then you have limited yourself on how effective you will be when the time comes. It is like saying carrying a 380 is better then not carrying anything. Yes it is but at the same time if you can carry a 380 you can carry a 9mm. Don't talk yourself into thinking carrying unchambered is ok. I am sorry it is not and if carrying chambered scares you then you need to re-think why you are carrying at all. You had a ND. It happens. Learn from your mistake and don't let it happen again.
 
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