Accidental discharge
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Oh yes it does and can happen on some Remington 600's,660's,and 700's after taking the rifle off of safety.
My brother had a defective High Standard pump that discharged back in the early 70's after racking the very first round in it.
Gun store took it back and gave him another one that has functioned fine to this very day.
My brother had a defective High Standard pump that discharged back in the early 70's after racking the very first round in it.
Gun store took it back and gave him another one that has functioned fine to this very day.
I had an M1 carbine discharge on chambering a round. Scared the crap out of me, but as the gun was pointed down range cause no damage. Local gunsmith gave it a clean bill of health, and some 1000rnds latter it never once did it again.
Cal-gun Fan
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Yeah I thought that ADs were a problem with a lot of the R700s...I saw a video on that a while back.
Well I have owned several Remington 700's made from the 70's thru the early 2000's and never had an issue.
Although some are known to have this problem.
Like wise the 600 and 660 series of rifles.
I own several 600's and they are actually one of my favorite all time hunting rifles.
Mine are fine and I have delibertly tried ever way possible to fake out the safety and trigger to make it discharge after taking it off safety and mine never have.
I talked to a dealer at a gunshow several years ago that owned one of the bad ones and came across one up for sale on a GunBroker auction that the seller freely admitted the rifle needed to go back to Remington for the free fix.
Moral of the story...Anything mechanical can fail so always keep that muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
Although some are known to have this problem.
Like wise the 600 and 660 series of rifles.
I own several 600's and they are actually one of my favorite all time hunting rifles.
Mine are fine and I have delibertly tried ever way possible to fake out the safety and trigger to make it discharge after taking it off safety and mine never have.
I talked to a dealer at a gunshow several years ago that owned one of the bad ones and came across one up for sale on a GunBroker auction that the seller freely admitted the rifle needed to go back to Remington for the free fix.
Moral of the story...Anything mechanical can fail so always keep that muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
Two:
1. I once took a friend to the range. We were going to shoot my Desert Eagle .44 mag. Something told me that we should go to the air gun lanes (10-meter) first and shoot my .17 competition airgun, just to familiarize him with range procedures.. He loaded the gun, then turned to me to ask a question, Plop! I had a pellet in my right arm.. It fell off, not much damage other than a trickle of blood and a big bruise.. I'm glad we didn't shoot the Desert Eagle first..
2. My IPSC buddies and I were shooting in an underground tunnel. Someone had a malfunction on a 1911. They were messing with it on a table, adjacent to a wall. I was the one on the line, ready to shoot (they were behind me). Bang! The wall was missing a brick.. Nobody got hurt.
I have seen IPSC guns let got 2-3 rounds because of a bad trigger job.. Never have I seen a gun "go off" without someone pressing the trigger..
1. I once took a friend to the range. We were going to shoot my Desert Eagle .44 mag. Something told me that we should go to the air gun lanes (10-meter) first and shoot my .17 competition airgun, just to familiarize him with range procedures.. He loaded the gun, then turned to me to ask a question, Plop! I had a pellet in my right arm.. It fell off, not much damage other than a trickle of blood and a big bruise.. I'm glad we didn't shoot the Desert Eagle first..
2. My IPSC buddies and I were shooting in an underground tunnel. Someone had a malfunction on a 1911. They were messing with it on a table, adjacent to a wall. I was the one on the line, ready to shoot (they were behind me). Bang! The wall was missing a brick.. Nobody got hurt.
I have seen IPSC guns let got 2-3 rounds because of a bad trigger job.. Never have I seen a gun "go off" without someone pressing the trigger..
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Tom488
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Had a 1911 that had some worn hammer hooks... inserted a mag, hit the slide stop release, and BANG!. Fortunately, the gun was pointed downrange, so no damage done - but was able to reproduce it (dry) at will... gun got a new hammer and sear the next day.
Googleplex
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The only one I know of is the "Remington moment" with the 700's old trigger system. This was an extremely rare occurance, but I've seen it happen in a clean rifle. Thankfully, it was unloaded. This is when the safety is released or the bolt is touched and the gun fires- even when the user's hand is nowhere near the trigger. Odd deal, but it's the only true AD I've seen. The X-Mark pro was designed to remedy this, so it's not like nothing was ever done about it. Just one of those manufacturing flaws that began to show as rifles aged.
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ExAgoradzo
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Thanks guys, I expected I'd get some true ADs with this much experience, but it is exactly as I thought: a fairly rare occurrance. I have a Rem 721 from the 40's, I'm going to check the safety thing next time I'm at the range.
Remington 700--fired when the safety was released.
two brand new Springfield M1As--both would double-fire with one trigger pull
Uberti Rolling Block .357 pistol--half-cock safety malfunctioned, firing weapon.
Stevens 22 single shot--rifle would discharge when bolt was closed.
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two brand new Springfield M1As--both would double-fire with one trigger pull
Uberti Rolling Block .357 pistol--half-cock safety malfunctioned, firing weapon.
Stevens 22 single shot--rifle would discharge when bolt was closed.
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RNB65
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I've had an accidental discharge with a CZ 527 rifle. The pull on the set trigger was set too light from the factory. The slightest bump of the stock after setting the trigger would cause the rifle to fire. No harm was done as I had the rifle pointed safely downrange when it occurred. I adjusted the set trigger to it's heaviest pull weight and I'm very careful not to set the trigger until just before I'm ready to fire.
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I've never witnessed an accidental discharge, personally. Plenty of negligent discharges though.
The closest thing I've ever seen, or had happen to 'accidental', was cleaning a chinese double shotgun and forgot that I'd reloaded before doing the function checks and blasted a hole thru the ceiling. Hammers are smooth, not checkered, and upon lowering the right hammer, it slipped and said 'boom'. Surprisingly, nobody heard anything.
Property manager charged 75$ for the ceiling and told me not to tell anyone as it could hurt leasing sales... there's a story behind that one. Luckily, nobody was hurt.
The closest thing I've ever seen, or had happen to 'accidental', was cleaning a chinese double shotgun and forgot that I'd reloaded before doing the function checks and blasted a hole thru the ceiling. Hammers are smooth, not checkered, and upon lowering the right hammer, it slipped and said 'boom'. Surprisingly, nobody heard anything.
Property manager charged 75$ for the ceiling and told me not to tell anyone as it could hurt leasing sales... there's a story behind that one. Luckily, nobody was hurt.
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Highly customized Remington 700 went off when I closed the bolt. Nothing touched the trigger. Big trench in the pasture but no real damage. Gun went back to a smith who readjusted the trigger. Never had another problem but that gun still spooks me.
I had an original Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag and was loading it with light small-game loads while walking in a field with a varmint rifle slung over my shoulder. Apparently, I didn't set the hammer in the half-cock notch, but just short of it. When I got to one of the last rounds, the hammer dropped by itself and fired a round.
At first, I thought someone was behind me who fired, but within a second, realized that I was out there all alone and that the handgun had fired "all by itself". Fortunately, no lead spit out of the cylinder gap to cut my left hand. I didn't even feel any gas hitting it.
That was a good lesson. I can appreciate the new models having transfer bars and are loaded with the hammer down.
At first, I thought someone was behind me who fired, but within a second, realized that I was out there all alone and that the handgun had fired "all by itself". Fortunately, no lead spit out of the cylinder gap to cut my left hand. I didn't even feel any gas hitting it.
That was a good lesson. I can appreciate the new models having transfer bars and are loaded with the hammer down.
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I've had two hangfires with .22 rimfire ammo. Un-nerving.
Had an M1A which doubled. Called Springfield; immediate express mailing of a replacement trigger group. No problems thereafter.
Had an M1A which doubled. Called Springfield; immediate express mailing of a replacement trigger group. No problems thereafter.
Not my experience. Springfield refused to help me with mine. I was told to either shoot from a standing position or load one round at a time from the bench. When I told the service rep both of these new triggers broke about 2.75 pounds and should be 4.5 pounds, he simply repeated the instructions. He wasn't even interested in helping me further...Had an M1A which doubled. Called Springfield; immediate express mailing of a replacement trigger group. No problems thereafter.
This was several years ago and I have since had them both fixed (took about 5 minutes) by a competent gunsmith and match shooter. The experience really soured me on Springfield. I sold the rifles and never looked back.
Glad you had a better outcome...
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Remington 700 - fired when safety moved to fire ("Remington Moment")
M24s (Army Sniper Weapon Systems built on Remington 700s) - same safety issue as Rem 700
1911A1 - broken disconnector - burst fire into sand barrel
P38 9mm - fired upon decocker being applied
M45 Carl Gustav 9mm SMG - fired from open bolt after minor bump
Sterling .22 LR pistol - slamfire
AR-15 - slamfire
All ADs (mechanical failures) where the weapon fired when it was not supposed to.
M24s (Army Sniper Weapon Systems built on Remington 700s) - same safety issue as Rem 700
1911A1 - broken disconnector - burst fire into sand barrel
P38 9mm - fired upon decocker being applied
M45 Carl Gustav 9mm SMG - fired from open bolt after minor bump
Sterling .22 LR pistol - slamfire
AR-15 - slamfire
All ADs (mechanical failures) where the weapon fired when it was not supposed to.
Gunnerboy
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I can finally write on this thread, just yesterday my stevens 887 that im rebuilding went off when i flipped the safety off found out that a pin broke inside the trigger mech and the rifle went off.
Dr T
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The only ones I have seen in over 50 years of shooting: My brother had a Remington 552 that decided that it wanted to be a full auto. While the first round was intentional, the rest it spit out while the trigger was depressed were not. It could go through a full tubular magazine quickly.
Dr T
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It is why there are rules like "treat every gun as if it were loaded," "keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction," "don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot," and "keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot."
Konstantin835
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Happened to me just yesterday. I was shooting an old CMP Savage-Anschutz at the junior club I go to and I put the safety on to adjust my sling and when I took the safety off the rifle fired. I told my instructor and he said it's not totally unheard of, seeing as the triggers are so light. (probably in the ounces, not lbs)
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Over the years I have been told of several AD's but only one that I personally can speak of was a 12ga semi-auto shotgun. It was sawed off just for home defense, when any of my kids had friends over and I was leaving the house I would unload it. This shotgun required the cycling of action to unload, after I had unloaded two rounds I let the action slide forward and BOOM. In a closed room very loud, shotgun kicked me in leg, wife standing outside door screaming, she thought I had shot myself. Only damage was an antique piece of furniture. Turned out the firing pin was broken and when action slammed forward the broken half of pin had just enough to set off the round, very glad it was on the last shell and not the first one. This taught me that no matter how safe you try to be Murphy can and will raise his head at all the wrong times.
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