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Here's an interesting concept, an AK with a left-side charging handle and a modified safety that can be operated with the index finger:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShqxfgsCxE

http://www.coloradoshootingsports.com/10.html

The preferred way to run an AK is with the left hand (both for changing magazines and for cycling the action), but this means you have to go under the rifle to reach the charging handle---not a problem at all when shooting from standing or kneeling, but a potential problem when prone. This is a retrofit (new bolt carrier and top cover) to an existing AK, but you could do the same thing with a clean-sheet design. The only downside I see is that the left-side slot remains open (the safety covers the right-side slot on a normal AK), potentially allowing crud to enter, but a new design could conceivably move the charging handle to the left side, close the right-side slot, and add an AR-esque flip cover to the left side of the receiver to cover the charging handle slot when the bolt is closed.
 
That's the Lightning Bolt, or something like that, right?

On the AK safety, a workable left side safety shooters could thumb sweep would be nice (not the Galil safety, which works backwards) but I don't think anyone has made that as a mod for the AK yet.
 
Out of all the new rifles, the XCR comes closest to being AK47 like, as it uses the same long stroke piston configuration

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And no, that isnt a real ad, though I really wish it was :p
 
Have any of y'all handled an RPK? I don't think you'll find a standard AK with Ultimak/Aimpoint to be very heavy anymore! In fact, you'll find an AK with an Aimpoint to be downright ''whippy'' in comparison!

I think a Yugo M72 RPK cut down to 16" is my ideal AK. Well, okay, sending it to Mark Krebs would make it my ideal AK! :evil:
 
That's the Lightning Bolt, or something like that, right?
Yes.

For $275, I'll just leave the charging handle on the right hand side...
Same for me; going under the gun to reach the charging handle isn't all that hard once you get used to it.

But if you were a designer looking to create the next iteration of the AK, you could produce a left-side handle version for essentially the same price as a right-side-handle version.
 
I disliked having an optic that was worth more than the gun
Who cares, its the total package and how well it works thats whats important.

I couldnt care less that my Aimpoint sitting on top of its Ultimak rail cost about twice what I paid for the SAR. The SAR with it mounted will out perform any of the pricier guns without it, and even some that do. Nothing faster or more natural than a forward mounted dot thats cowitnessed with the irons.
 
Lances FTW!


What if one were to attach the charging handle to the gas piston? Redesign the receiver to allow a solidly attached upper rail, and use lots and lots of juicy polymer.
 
I might also change the gas piston to a tappet (this can actually be done with existing gas block in place with an insert and a different piston, with the bolt-carrier mounted piston being shortened to where it enters the gas block) and so reduce the amount of weight moving.
That reciprocating weight is part of what gives the AK its legendary reliability, along with the very long stroke. Because the bolt carrier assembly is HEAVY and gets a big running start before it hits the rear of the cartridge to be fed, it is much less affected by mag spring tension, dirt, etc. than a lightweight bolt carrier would be. Momentum is a Good Thing when the receiver is dirty, and that heavy bolt carrier and long stroke also allow the use of that giant crud-busting gas piston without beating the rifle to pieces.

The super-long nose of the bolt carrier also serves as a guide, keeping the bolt carrier from tilting fore-and-aft and jamming on the receiver rails. Check out the following video of a full-auto AK being fired with the dust cover removed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sNDTdKQNVU

Look closely and notice how the bolt carrier assembly "floats" rather loosely in the receiver (even bouncing up and down a little), but kept in the proper orientation by the nose and gas piston. That's what allows such large clearances between the bolt carrier rails and the bolt carrier itself; without the cone-in-a-tube guide, the bolt carrier/rail clearances would have to be tighter to prevent excessive tilting, making it more susceptible to being jammed by sand and dirt.

Mr. Kalashnikov knew what he was doing when he designed the AK with a heavy reciprocating mass, long stroke, and large gas piston, IMO.

The Western citizen marksman soldier mindset can't seem to accept the AK for what it is....

A throwaway rifle for a throwaway soldier......

An economical (stamped sheet metal) stone cold reliable (almost unbreakable) combat rifle that is simple to deploy with illiterate troops who will receive neither marksmanship training nor armory support. Said rifle must reliably deliver rounds in full auto. for close quarters guerilla warfare typical of revolutions and insurgencies over a prolonged period of time with no more maintenance than a barrel swab with a torn rag soaked in used motor oil once a week.
That's a common misconception, I think. The AK was not designed for illiterate peasants/revolutionaries/insurgents; it was designed BY a soldier and combat veteran (who happened to be a talented engineer), FOR professional soldiers of the Soviet Army, based on combat experience fighting the Germans in a hard-fought defensive war under extremely adverse conditions. It was only later, after the Soviet Army had been equipped, that AK's were exported to Third World insurgents as part of the Soviet Union's attempts to start brushfires and proxy wars, but that was not what they were originally designed for. The New Soviet Man may not have owned a TV, a car, and a house in the suburbs like his 1950's American counterpart, but illiterate he was not.

I'd point out that regular Soviet Army units and Spetsnaz still use the AK design, and some of them are pretty highly trained indeed.

To the point of the original post---to me, an advanced AK would be an AK evolved in exactly the same ways that the current M4 evolved from the original 1960-ish triangular-handguard, plain-Jane M16. The main developments with the M4 over the original M16 are a shorter barrel, adjustable stock for versatility, and rails for attachment of optics and lights and whatnot.

The AK barrel is already close to M4 length, so an advanced AK could be similar in length to the current rifle, but with lightweight synthetic furniture, an adjustable-length buttstock, a good flash suppressor instead of the accuracy-disturbing AKM slant brake or flame-enhancing AK-74 brake, an Eotech- or Aimpoint-style optic, and the ability to mount a modern tac-light on the forend. That would make the rifle very comparable to an M4, with a significant reliability advantage, IMO.

Is it just me, or is mother Russia HOT!
Only if I can call Anna Kournikova "Mother Russia."
Or Marina Orlova. :)

Yes, this is 100% gun-related (and should be work-safe but may raise eyebrows):

http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/06/29/ak-47/
http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/06/30/ak-47-in-russian/
 
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It was only later, after the Soviet Army had been equipped, that AK's were exported to Third World insurgents as part of the Soviet Union's attempts to start brushfires and proxy wars, but that was not what they were originally designed for.

This is a good point. Had the Soviets ended up adopting something besides the Kalashnikov design, they would have given whatever weapon away by the megaton to allied nations and armed groups due to politics, not due to its suitability for use by guerillas and insurgents.
 
The advanced AK would be a standard AK, but hard-chromed in the gas tube, breech, and barrel. The Saiga and other AK-1xx's re are already chromed in the breech and barrel, but chroming the gas tube would be the final touch, particularly if you had a slot just behind the furthest extent the piston goes back to allow powder buildup to be skimmed out. You do that, and it really would work forever.
 
The "advanced" AK is an Arsenal 106FR. It is chambered in 5.56 so any ammo you buy for your AR will work in your AK. Add a "Blackjack" Swift lever to replace the factory safety lever and you can shoot it on ranges that require "bolt hold open" to go "cold." This along with the Ultrimak gas tube and an Aimpoint Mico discribes my "only" AK. Another member here has the "exact" same set-up, and has posted pictures in the past. I hope he is reading this and will repost them.
 
If you asked me what an advanced AK was, aside from the AK-74, I would say the Sig 55x series and the Finnish Rk 62/95 TP.

That is blasphemy!!!!!!:mad: :cuss: Don't you even dare mention those two weapons in the same sentence. Especially the Sig.
 
If you're going to spend $1000 on an AK, why not just get a good AR? And what is the point of using a low caliber for a gun that has poor accuracy anyway? Isn't the whole point of an AK that it packs a mean punch?

I thought the real reason to own an AK was that it was cheap and throws the enemy to the ground. So, what justification is there for all these high-tech AK upgrades? I go onto gun broker and I see them selling some beefed up AKs for ove $2000. Would this gun really win in a fight against an AR of equal money?

Anyhow, I am still learning about auto rifles, but I just not seeing why I should spend so much money and beef up a gun that really was never designed for such purposes.

I do want an AK or two or three, but i want to find a real cheap one and since they all lack the AR accuracy, I only plan on using it if I am hiding in the mud and want to ambush my enemy. Or, as a backup piece of my beloved AR jams.
 
Or, as a backup piece if my beloved AR jams.
That would be when, not if your AR jams.

That's why people want AKs, and why they would win in a fight with an AR, assuming you have an accurate AK. And they do exist. The mechanical accuracy of an AK is not much worse than an AR, the problem is the iron sights. Once you put the "high tech upgrades" like a red-dot sight on an AK, it more than holds it's own against ARs.
 
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