Advice pls: A2 vs others...1st AR

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I once had a RRA A2 with a 20" barrel (possibly 22"). When using the carry handle, it didn't balance well at all. I liked the concept but a 16" barrel would have been better. The iron sights were very nice though.
LOL...we were never allowed to carry them by the handle anyway. My platoon sergeant would yell at us and say "It' not a briefcase, private!!" so I suspect the Army was trying to get way from that purpose anyway.
 
I much prefer the looks of an A2 stock and 20” barrel. Probably an age thing. So that’s what I bought. It came with a fixed front sight and detachable carry handle. I knew I would never put an optic on it, except I did two years later along with a rear BUIS. Two years after that I realized the carry handle was superfluous and sold.

I’m still glad I got an AR with a rifle/A2 stock and 20” barrel. I almost never use it. It’s for HD and the annual chupacabra hunt I participate in. The extra 4” of barrel makes my swing smoother and steadier on crossing shots at chupacabra.
 
No, it does not. 55 gr bullets will shoot as precise from a 1:7 as they do a 1:9. What a 1:7 twist gives the shooter is a wider choice of ammo and greater bullet stability. That doesn't mean the 1:9 twist is junk. It just means that, for shooting the average 5.56/223 bullet, the 1:7 twist is cheap insurance.


That depends on the barrel. However, with blaster ammo, the shooter isn't likely to notice the difference, if any.

Interesting you should mention that. When I got my first AR... the 1:7 H-bar... I was pretty disappointed with the accuracy of generic 55grn FMJ. Even my handloads weren't that good. Jump forward 10 years and I shoot either 62grn M855 or my 69grn handloads... and things improve nicely. I don't know what to think about your comment that it doesn't matter... because at the end of the day, I don't have 2 equal 1:7 and 1:9 rifles to compare. I suppose someone somewhere has done that comparo... Was it just my crappy ammo, or does it really make a difference? Me thinks that if it realllly didn't matter, barrel makers and rifle builders wouldn't fool around with different twist barrels. Just my opinion.
 
I have lots of AR's but the A2 with 20" heavy barrel and fixed A1 stock is my favorite. When it comes to serious shooting, weight is your friend.
 
I am trying to build a carry handle upper myself and got shopping for one last night. They are HARD to find.

This is about all I found for assembled carry handle receivers.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/upperreceivera2usgi-1.aspx

Weirdly enough, I was looking for A1 receivers and couldn't find them anywhere (Fulton Arms was literally it) but I remembered this site a relative had recommend at Christmas and checked out R Guns. For whatever reason, they are LOADED with complete barreled A1 uppers, in every configuration you can think of. Brownells, PSA, Del Ton - none of the big AR parts vendors even carry A1 receivers, and this outfit has them flowing out their ears.

https://rguns.net

On a side note - has anyone here bought from Rguns? Are they any good?
 
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Have you checked out Rock River Arms website? They have a lot of A2 parts and uppers to complete your built.
 
Go detachable carry handle. I shot irons pretty much exclusively, but occasionally mount a scope with a quick detach mount.

It removed some variables from load development, and sometimes it's fun to shoot golf balls at 100 yards.
 
Interesting you should mention that. When I got my first AR... the 1:7 H-bar... I was pretty disappointed with the accuracy of generic 55grn FMJ. Even my handloads weren't that good. Jump forward 10 years and I shoot either 62grn M855 or my 69grn handloads... and things improve nicely. I don't know what to think about your comment that it doesn't matter... because at the end of the day, I don't have 2 equal 1:7 and 1:9 rifles to compare. I suppose someone somewhere has done that comparo... Was it just my crappy ammo, or does it really make a difference? Me thinks that if it realllly didn't matter, barrel makers and rifle builders wouldn't fool around with different twist barrels. Just my opinion.
Molon has done extensive testing. His findings are 55 gr bullets in a 1:7 twist barrel are not less precise than from a 1:9 barrel. Barrel twist does matter, but it's just a part of the whole. Barrel and ammo quality is just as important. Maybe more so.

Sierra did tests with doppler radar to measure the stability of their 69 gr Matchking fired from various twists. They found that the tighter the twist, the more stable the bullet which resulted in a better BC in flight. The 1:7 twist was the tightest they tested and resulted in the best stability.

I must point out that every barrel is a law unto itself. Some barrels defy "conventional wisdom". A shooter will never know how a barrel shoots a particular load until it's tried. The 1:9 twist is considered too slow to stabilize the longer bullets, generally meaning anything heavier than 62 grains. Yet, there are shooters who consistently shoot MOA or less using bullets in the 70s range with a 1:9 barrel. There are shooters who can't get anything less than patterns with 55 grain bullets from a 1:7. Both examples are the exception, however. My 1:7 ARs will keep 20 or 30 rounds inside 2 or 3 MOA using cheap blaster grade 55 gr bullets and a 4 MOA Aimpoint.

I try to stick with the 1:7 twist because I and others I shoot with, talk to and correspond with, find it to be generally more forgiving than the 1:9, especially with the reduced velocities of shorter barrels. As the 1:7 barrels I'm using work fine with 55 grain ammo, I see no reason to use a 1:9. I want to stack the odds in my favor. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try a 1:9. A 1:9 may work perfectly for you and if it works, it works and you win. If it doesn't work, you still win. You got out, shot the rifle and found out for yourself. In fact, you did go out and shoot. That's far and away better than reading about it on the internet.
 
So...these guys have those in stock. They said a completed rifle with that upper should come in just under 7 lbs.

The ONLY thing I don't like is they use M4 feed ramp/barrel extensions. Which is probably a pretty OCD thing for me to focus on, but if building a GI A2 rifle...I would think you'd want A2 ramps. I know both will work, not sure if I worry about it.

They're significantly cheaper than Fulton Armory.

I would not let M4 ramps stop me from buying if the barrel dimensions are what you want. That would be the least of my worries. As for the fixed handle, the NEW M16A4 has a removable carry handle. I understand your attachment to the A2 but I finally had to admit defeat and go to a scope from iron sights. It happens to us all. A removable handle will prepare you for the future of using glass over irons.
kwg
 
Just FYI, my buddy just bought a NIB Windham carbine... a flattop w/detachable carry handle... for $600. The last 2 gunshows I've been to show that in today's market, a completed rifle is almost a better deal than trying to piece one together, even a budget build.
 
Put down the credit card on these guys today. Went with a 1:8 twist in lieu of the 1:7 however. Should be here next week. Nice folks. Gave me a 5% discount for military service (I never ask for that), and agreed to ship US Mail (in lieu of their normal UPS) to save some shipping costs up to AK.

I'm looking forward to seeing the completed build. :cool:
 
D.B., try somebody else's HBAR barreled A2. Awesome accuracy. If I could shoot straight, I'd say mine's a .5 MOA rifle, and I bought it USED.
After you try one for yourself, you may WANT to "suck it up". It's the one rifle that's more accurate than both my bolt action hunters.
 
Bear Creek Arsenal has excellent, cost-effective uppers. A complete, ready to fire upper can be bought for $229, many times shipped free.

www.bearcreekarsenal.com

Their barrels are supposed to group 1MOA or less at 100 yards. Sign-up for their email sale notices. Great offers! Super nice folks.

I also have Anderson and PSA. They too are nice.

JMHO,

Geno
 
D.B., try somebody else's HBAR barreled A2. Awesome accuracy. If I could shoot straight, I'd say mine's a .5 MOA rifle, and I bought it USED.
After you try one for yourself, you may WANT to "suck it up". It's the one rifle that's more accurate than both my bolt action hunters.

I did. Years ago. I was shooting Hi Power with a Garand, and a guy let me shoot the second round with his AR15A2 HBAR...I went from shooting Marksman to Sharpshooter instantly. All I did was switch rifles.

While I may shoot this in Service Rifle, that's not it's primary purpose. I wanted to a.)recreate my basic training rifle (I gave up on the 1:7 twist and the M4 feed ramp issues) and b.) keep it light.
 
Bear Creek Arsenal has excellent, cost-effective uppers. A complete, ready to fire upper can be bought for $229, many times shipped free.

www.bearcreekarsenal.com

Their barrels are supposed to group 1MOA or less at 100 yards. Sign-up for their email sale notices. Great offers! Super nice folks.

I also have Anderson and PSA. They too are nice.

JMHO,

Geno
All they sell are flat tops
 
Put down the credit card on these guys today. Went with a 1:8 twist in lieu of the 1:7 however. Should be here next week. Nice folks. Gave me a 5% discount for military service (I never ask for that), and agreed to ship US Mail (in lieu of their normal UPS) to save some shipping costs up to AK.

I really want one of the 8 twist barrels but can't afford it right now. I have these guys book marked. I'm prior military as well. I could use a 5% discount on my next barrel. I do have an Aero Precision lower that is marked U.S. Government M16A4. They put them out last year and I snagged one. I want to see your finished product as well.
kwg
 
I wanted an A2 rifle and ended up building my upper. I picked up a DPMS A2 upper from Midway USA and then bought a 1/7 A2 barrel from Windamm Weapons to complete the upper
 
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