Prince Yamato
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You beat me to it! I was going to say the same thing.
ak47 or Springfield M1A for SHTF
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You beat me to it! I was going to say the same thing.
I agree with the poster who noted terrain is a factor. I'm in Montana, and there's lots of open space. Western Washington or Oregon would definitely change things.
If I were to pick a modern bolt gun, I would probably choose the FN PBR XP. It's a classic claw extractor, fixed ejector rifle. I'd fit a folding front sight and carry a rail mounted BUIS, and fit it with a heavy duty optic in the 2.5-10x range and possibly the AI box magazine conversion. The rifle, with it's 20 inch fluted barrel, is sort and handy, but has enough accuracy to engage targets out to 1K yards. The action is reliable and fast. It would not be my ideal for a built up area or forest, but would serve very well in the open terrain I live in.
I am of course thinking in terms of a lone survivor, who basically be in the scout/sniper/poacher role
If I were to pick a modern bolt gun, I would probably choose the FN PBR XP. It's a classic claw extractor, fixed ejector rifle. I'd fit a folding front sight and carry a rail mounted BUIS, and fit it with a heavy duty optic in the 2.5-10x range and possibly the AI box magazine conversion. The rifle, with it's 20 inch fluted barrel, is sort and handy, but has enough accuracy to engage targets out to 1K yards. The action is reliable and fast. It would not be my ideal for a built up area or forest, but would serve very well in the open terrain I live in.
I am of course thinking in terms of a lone survivor, who basically be in the scout/sniper/poacher role
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AK rifle of some sort for any SHTF scenario. You can carry more ammo if you need to move around or out of an area. It has decent punch. If you mount a scope on it, you can cover a distance out to about 300 or maybe 350 meters. With an underfolder stock, it's a nice and compact package. Sure, it may not shoot as far as an M1A but if it's highly doubtful, unless you live in the mythical state of Montana, that you'll have a lot of need to shoot great distances any way. If you're moving through urban areas, your longest shot will probably be less than 3 city blocks any way. Yep, AK for when you need reliability in sudden survival situations.
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I am buying the ak, 1st and then I am buying the LWRC probably the m6a2. I want to wait on the LWRC as I am hearing rumors they may be coming out with an LWRC in .338 Luppa...
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SHTF close-up?
That's easy. An SMLE. Ten rounds, ridiculously short bolt throw.
PS -- that's Lapua: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum
Please spare me. A ridiculously short bolt throw ...... right. Like that is the holy grail of bolt rifles. Oh, and Brit .303 ammo just grows on trees. How bout just a good old fashioned Springfield 1903 or for that matter any "deer rifle" chambered in 30.06, you know a round that is found virtually anywhere and everywhere in this country. If the "bolt throw" is your primary concern then you've been reading too many MAD magazines
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Agreed, but why mutant zombie squirrels in particular? I'm curious if you got that image from a story that circulated a few months back.
bobernet
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Both
The answer for me was both. In a Katrina-esque scenario, it seems that a carbine is definitely the way to go. We've decided on AR's in the M4gery configuration for that.
On the longer range front, both for hunting and long range defense, I think something in 30 caliber makes a lot of sense. .308/7.62x51 makes sense to me because of the wide variety of rifles and configurations in which it's available. You can get M1 Garands with 308 barrels, M1As, FALs, AR-10s, sporting arms like the Winchester 70, Remington 700, Ruger M77, etc.
Everyone has their opinions about this, and I doubt we'll ever come to a consensus, but for me the most important factor is standardizing on a few calibers, stacking the ammunition deep, then acquiring purpose-built weapons in those calibers. For us, those are .223/5.56 and .308/7.62.
Something like a compliment of AKs and Mosin's would work as well.
The answer for me was both. In a Katrina-esque scenario, it seems that a carbine is definitely the way to go. We've decided on AR's in the M4gery configuration for that.
On the longer range front, both for hunting and long range defense, I think something in 30 caliber makes a lot of sense. .308/7.62x51 makes sense to me because of the wide variety of rifles and configurations in which it's available. You can get M1 Garands with 308 barrels, M1As, FALs, AR-10s, sporting arms like the Winchester 70, Remington 700, Ruger M77, etc.
Everyone has their opinions about this, and I doubt we'll ever come to a consensus, but for me the most important factor is standardizing on a few calibers, stacking the ammunition deep, then acquiring purpose-built weapons in those calibers. For us, those are .223/5.56 and .308/7.62.
Something like a compliment of AKs and Mosin's would work as well.
I like the way you think
I went for the deep stack of .308/7.62 and purpose-built M14s.
I then acquired a few AK types and plenty of ammo.
I'm currently buying .223/5.56 Colt LE6920s.
The Colts will replace my AKs as soon as I stock up on .223/5.56.
I might be picking up a new M1A Standard for $1,250 tonight...wish me luck.
Oh, by the way, I used two Fulton Armory shim kits on my SOCOM to get the Gas Cylinder Lock finger tight. Now I don't have enough left over for my Standard I'm getting
Once I get the Standard though I have a NM flash suppressor, SAI NM gas cylinder/front band combo, Badger spring guide, and repro 1907 tan leather sling. I have a synthetic stock on the way from Fred's.
Do you think I should change out the SAI extractor for my spare Fulton extractor?
Oh, by the way, I used two Fulton Armory shim kits on my SOCOM to get the Gas Cylinder Lock finger tight. Now I don't have enough left over for my Standard I'm getting
Once I get the Standard though I have a NM flash suppressor, SAI NM gas cylinder/front band combo, Badger spring guide, and repro 1907 tan leather sling. I have a synthetic stock on the way from Fred's.
Do you think I should change out the SAI extractor for my spare Fulton extractor?
Congratulations!
I'm not hearing bad things about SA, Inc's current production. I think all of the issues were addressed a few years ago.
A few spare USGI bolt parts is not a bad idea though and hurry to 44MAG.com for the lowest price on CMI mags.
Prices increase this Friday.
I'm not hearing bad things about SA, Inc's current production. I think all of the issues were addressed a few years ago.
A few spare USGI bolt parts is not a bad idea though and hurry to 44MAG.com for the lowest price on CMI mags.
Prices increase this Friday.
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My SHTF plans.....
what I've concluded I really need to concentrate on for SHTF is .........
FUEL!
The Generator (powers well pump and keeps freezer frozen)
The tractor (w/ 60" PTO snow thrower...we're not on a town serviced road)
The vehicles (gonna have to look for food eventually)
The chain saws, etc...
Storing decent quantities of fuel is not easy and it's not cheap.
If I top off....I can currently store....
20 gal. diesel
140 gal. gasoline
500 gal. LPG
a whole lot of firewood...though current inventory is only four cords.
storing significant quantities of gasoline is both difficult, inconvenient and potentially dangerous....but absolutely necessary.
The guns are to protect the family and the fuel. Because without fuel....the family is in trouble.
what I've concluded I really need to concentrate on for SHTF is .........
FUEL!
The Generator (powers well pump and keeps freezer frozen)
The tractor (w/ 60" PTO snow thrower...we're not on a town serviced road)
The vehicles (gonna have to look for food eventually)
The chain saws, etc...
Storing decent quantities of fuel is not easy and it's not cheap.
If I top off....I can currently store....
20 gal. diesel
140 gal. gasoline
500 gal. LPG
a whole lot of firewood...though current inventory is only four cords.
storing significant quantities of gasoline is both difficult, inconvenient and potentially dangerous....but absolutely necessary.
The guns are to protect the family and the fuel. Because without fuel....the family is in trouble.
I tried to buy 5 of the CMI magazines last week but my credit card malfunctioned. A new one is on the way but I won't get it until after the 18th.:banghead:
I'm not too worried though because I do have one CMI 10 round magazine, and ten CMI 20 round magazines.
I'm not too worried though because I do have one CMI 10 round magazine, and ten CMI 20 round magazines.
kimberfan
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Andrewsky wrote: I might be picking up a new M1A Standard for $1,250 tonight...wish me luck.
thats a good deal, i picked mine up for $1,350.
thats a good deal, i picked mine up for $1,350.takhtakaal
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takhtakaal said:
lencac said:
I'm dignifying you with a response because silence would let you think that your attitude is acceptable.
Someone asked about a tactical bolt. A ten-shot rifle (twelve, I believe, in the .308 variants from India) that can deliver effective fire such as an SMLE, and do it as quickly as it can, in trained hands, is just such a rifle. Whether or not commercially loaded ammunition is readily available is irrelevant, and with 7.62x51 at 50¢ a round, even in really way-out-there bulk, delivered, it isn't really that much more outrageous. Brass is available, bullets are available, and reloading is soon going to be the only way to go.
Think about your response. Was that really THR-grade?
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One is bolt-operated, one is not, and the Lee design started up in service way, way back, about 1880 or so.
No SHTF scenario will require you to shoot beyond 300 yards. If you are shooting beyond that range, you are wasting ammo. Except when you are an insurgent and the enemy is your government.
Within that range, both are similar. Both will kill. So take the one you can carry more ammo just in case of zombie hordes. But most importantly, take the one you feel comfortable with. The one you like to handle and take to bed with is what you should get (budgetary concerns not considered).
Within that range, both are similar. Both will kill. So take the one you can carry more ammo just in case of zombie hordes. But most importantly, take the one you feel comfortable with. The one you like to handle and take to bed with is what you should get (budgetary concerns not considered).
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