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The majority of CCW's are law-abiding citizen's who rarely have any problems with law enforcement. Recently we've been seen an alarming trend wherein someone who has a CCW keeps/carries the gun for their friend(s) who aren't allowed to CCW or are known criminals/gang-members.
What usually happens is the CCW'er passes their gun off to his friend who isn't a CCW, that person uses the gun in a crime, and they then pass the gun back to the CCW. If the CCW'er is caught after the crime he can't be ID'd as the suspect because he didn't commit the crime and because he has a permit to carry he is lawfully possessing the firearm.
What we are seeing is usually known gang-members with someone who is a CCW'er. Whether the gang-members recently befriended the CCW'er or have known them for a long time is unknown and different per each incident.
One situation was where there was a fight outside of a bar. Once the fight broke up one half of the fighters stayed in front of the bar while the other half walked across the street and one man in the group (the CCW'er) took a pistol out of his car and they all started walking back to the bar where the fight had taken place and the other half of the fighters were still standing there. They got halfway across the street when they were stopped by police. A police officer had witnessed all of this from the beginning and called it out over the radio.
The group was stopped and the man with the CCW's gun was taken for safe keeping wherein he'd be able to pick it up during business hours the next day and if there would be any charges filed. This was a mutual combatant bar fight, not one person/group being assaulted and then one half of the fight goes and gets a gun and comes back to once again confront the other party. It is hard to plead self-defense when you leave a situation and instead of calling the cops or going home come back with a gun. The other members of the group were known gang-members while the CCW'er was not. Now, this would have been a case of the CCW'er committing the criminal act if he had used the weapon or brandished it. However, it's who he was with and the act he was most likely about to commit that is unusual for most CCW'ers.
At one time you could have an encounter with most any CCW and almost all of the time it would be a nice encounter, now you may have a legit CCW'er but who they are with might make you think differently on their intentions. Obviously you treat every situation with the utmost safety, but it is good to know about new trends in crime.
Also, many people who are known gang-members or criminals are not actually Felons. Some of our worst criminals have many arrests and convictions and are not felons. This doesn't mean they can get CCW's, but it also means they cannot be charged with Felon in possession when they get caught with a gun.
Law Enforcement officers need to be aware of this as we have had quite a few encounters recently with situations like this. We have a lot of armed robberies where I work and other crimes where criminals use guns.
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The majority of CCW's are law-abiding citizen's who rarely have any problems with law enforcement. Recently we've been seen an alarming trend wherein someone who has a CCW keeps/carries the gun for their friend(s) who aren't allowed to CCW or are known criminals/gang-members.
What usually happens is the CCW'er passes their gun off to his friend who isn't a CCW, that person uses the gun in a crime, and they then pass the gun back to the CCW. If the CCW'er is caught after the crime he can't be ID'd as the suspect because he didn't commit the crime and because he has a permit to carry he is lawfully possessing the firearm.
What we are seeing is usually known gang-members with someone who is a CCW'er. Whether the gang-members recently befriended the CCW'er or have known them for a long time is unknown and different per each incident.
One situation was where there was a fight outside of a bar. Once the fight broke up one half of the fighters stayed in front of the bar while the other half walked across the street and one man in the group (the CCW'er) took a pistol out of his car and they all started walking back to the bar where the fight had taken place and the other half of the fighters were still standing there. They got halfway across the street when they were stopped by police. A police officer had witnessed all of this from the beginning and called it out over the radio.
The group was stopped and the man with the CCW's gun was taken for safe keeping wherein he'd be able to pick it up during business hours the next day and if there would be any charges filed. This was a mutual combatant bar fight, not one person/group being assaulted and then one half of the fight goes and gets a gun and comes back to once again confront the other party. It is hard to plead self-defense when you leave a situation and instead of calling the cops or going home come back with a gun. The other members of the group were known gang-members while the CCW'er was not. Now, this would have been a case of the CCW'er committing the criminal act if he had used the weapon or brandished it. However, it's who he was with and the act he was most likely about to commit that is unusual for most CCW'ers.
At one time you could have an encounter with most any CCW and almost all of the time it would be a nice encounter, now you may have a legit CCW'er but who they are with might make you think differently on their intentions. Obviously you treat every situation with the utmost safety, but it is good to know about new trends in crime.
Also, many people who are known gang-members or criminals are not actually Felons. Some of our worst criminals have many arrests and convictions and are not felons. This doesn't mean they can get CCW's, but it also means they cannot be charged with Felon in possession when they get caught with a gun.
Law Enforcement officers need to be aware of this as we have had quite a few encounters recently with situations like this. We have a lot of armed robberies where I work and other crimes where criminals use guns.
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In New Hampshire, all you do is pay $20 and you get the permit within 14 days if you aren't a criminal, etc.
