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Am I crazy? Or, "The SBR'ed MN 91/30"

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Third_Rail, Dec 2, 2006.

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  1. Third_Rail

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    Ever since seeing a picture of a Mosin Nagant that was quite cut down by someone during WWII for use by the Jewish resistance, I've lusted after one.

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    Am I crazy for actually considering spending $200 for tax on a $50 rifle to get what amounts to a useless toy that blinds and deafens all within a large radius?
     

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  2. Clipper

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    ...yes...
     
  3. Third_Rail

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    Okay, just making sure. :D
     
  4. SomeKid

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    Would it be possible to put a pistol grip on it, and call it a pistol?
     
  5. grimjaw

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    Third Rail, here's an inexpensive solution for this urge.

    1. Roman candle.
    2. Cherry bomb.
    3. Light both, hold one in each hand.

    The medical bills might be a bit expensive, though, now that I think about it.

    jm
     
  6. telomerase

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    Actually, if you're wearing electronic muffs it could be a wonderful HD weapon/stun grenade.

    This WWII Jewish resistance fighter... he was going to fire this thing in a Warsaw sewer, right :uhoh: ? But at least he didn't have to pay a tax to exercise his right to be overwhelmed by centralized government power.

    On the bright side, the Federal Reserve's incessant counterfeiting has taken most of the teeth out of the transfer tax. In a few more years a Mosin will cost more than the tax.
     
  7. Steelcore

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    It needs a scope.......
     
  8. Hoppy590

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    ick. it just looks like a prop from a bad movie. its kinda useless as a hand gun. a shotgun would worked better as a "sawed off" lack of stock removes any long range work. the the size of the cartrigae doesnt lend itself this type of employment
     
  9. 648E

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    Well at least it would be a very cheap way to get into NFA ownership.

    But yeah, it's really ugly.
     
  10. Number 6

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    It would make a great flamethrower as well.
     
  11. Geronimo45

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    I'm guessing that gun would draw blood if you fired it... your own blood, from the gun recoiling and ramming commie steel into the web of your hand.
     
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    It must kick like a mule. Still if that rifle could talk...
     
  13. Cosmoline

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    The short Mosins were apparently well known in the East Block and even Finland. They were used as partisan arms, military special purpose arms and esp. for criminal activity after the war. There's a special nickname for them that escapes me. But as I understand it, they were NOT used to fire full powered 54R. The bullet would be pulled and the charge reduced. I've seen a photo of a Finn using one as a signaling firearm at a 1940's era military runway, probably with blanks or practice ammo.
     
  14. Third_Rail

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    Yeah, I should probably clarify that - this would NEVER use full-power loads. Ever.
     
  15. MatthewVanitas

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    If anyone has the Osprey picture-book of the White Armies (of the Russian Rev), there's a great drawing in there of a kulak with a great shorty MN.



    Obryez

    I don't have the Cyrillic fonts to write it properly. Should come from ob = around, rezat' = to cut.

    1855326566.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_OU01_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

    Better yet, does anyone in THR-land have the Osprey series so they can scan the image? That way I can prove that it does indeed exist. Don't make me go request it through interlibrary loan...

    -MV
     
  16. Kaylee

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    Crazy? Yeah, but oh well. Do what you want I guess... just try to find a M/N that's already had its barrel shot out? :)

    I've been wanting to do that to an 1892 for ages, and make a real Mare's Leg. That and an early AR carbine.. whee. Haven't ever looked forward to paying taxes before. :)
     
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    Rubber Band Guns.

    Yeah I know not the same, still legal, less expensive, ammo is cheap, no recoil and you shoot these in the house...
    ...or corner office ...;)
     
  18. Correia

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    I would leave the stock on it and SBR it down to seven inches.

    Why not? :) I'll have to see if I get a really cheap beater MN in here and I'll do it.

    I love my job.
     
  19. Novus Collectus

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    How about using that hollow bullet, "short range" ammo in it?
     
  20. Hoppy590

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    i agree. it would be alot better as a stocked SBR. would probibly make a nice "SBR Scout" outta it. the whole thing would be no longer than your arm. cant hit a barn from the hayloft. but cool as heck :evil:
     
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    that's awesome, I'd sure like to see photos of one in context.

    I'm pretty sure the only way that could be registered as a pistol is by making a whole new receiver for it, in this case it's prolly easier and cheaper just paying the tax.

    I wonder if you could just put a chamber insert in and fire 7.62X39 out of it and avoid the reloading aspect since most 54r is berdan primed.

    anyway make sure you use a really rough looking example for your replica so it has some "street cred"

    I wonder how bad shooting the thing was with full power loads, gangsters used to do the same thing to full auto BARs in the 30s and from what I've read they seem to have used them successfully.
     
  22. Involute

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    Aren't SBR's only $5?

    I'm no expert, but I think the tax stamp on SBR's is only $5.
     
  23. wdlsguy

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    It's $200 to make an SBR on a Form 1, $200 to transfer an SBR on a Form 4
     
  24. Involute

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    Hmmmm...

    Wasn't there something NFA that was a $5 transfer tax or am I just loosing my mind? :confused:
     
  25. wdlsguy

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    $5 to transfer an AOW on a Form 4. Everything else is $200.
     
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