Amount of rounds fired in home invasion

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I attended a couple of classes last summer that really changed my ideas. I took Fighting Pistol and Advanced Fighting Pistol from LMI in Cleveland Ohio http://lmiinc.com. My defensive handgun of choice contains at least 15 rounds of 9mm. I want all the advantage I can get, and having to reload every 5 rounds is not something I want to do. To each his own, but for my own, I choose lots of bullets, and lots of training. My wife can shoot, but she only goes shooting with me every couple of years. I wish she would take some training with me but I don't see that happening.
 
this may sound stupid; what are minuteman?
A bunch of fat losers playing soldier in the woods.

Wow, that was really out of line.

The Minutemen are a bunch of people who want to have more secure borders, especially with Mexico. They purport to patrol the border areas and report incursions into the US by illegal immigrants. They are not all fat and not all old. They certainly aren't all losers. Some are quite successful in their careers. Some are war heroes with extensive experience playing soldier in the woods.

I don't like their approach or the publicity they appeared to be trying to grab at the time, but that doesn't mean that as individuals they are somehow lacking as DAVIDSDAVID indicates.
 
Plateshooter, glad you actually took some training, I believe it makes a huge difference when the chips are down, also easier to "buddy" with a trained person than to worry about getting a nervous friendly round in the back.

Kudos on the hicapacity, but I take it from my view that when I am at home or at leisure, lugging my trusted hicapacity .45 becomes counter productive. A small mousegun is easy and light in the pocket and I used it as a initial fury "get out of harm in a second" gun, it worked then although only just and luckily I had a spare mag, 5 rounds was much better than nothing.

The most important thing here, is that you should carry what you feel most comfortable with, and more importantly know how to use it properly, know your gun like your hand.

keep safe
 
what double naught said plus the group suffered from some bad leadership as well as an influx of the wrong kinda folks. its a shame that tainted the efforts of many well intentioned and principled folks. as always 5% of the folk ruin it for 95 %. and i am not in agreement with the mm but can't paint most of them with that broad brush that seems to get used too often
 
Flash 25, I carry a P3AT, or Ruger LCP at times with a reload when I need something hide-able. I have a 637 S&W that I carry sometimes as well. Just me and the wife at home these days so I can have a Hi Cap 9s stashed around the house in several places where I can get cornered. I guess I won't know for sure how it will work unless it happens. Hope I never find out. Glad you came through your experience ok.
 
For what it's worth, only one of the three attackers had any ties to the Minutemen. She was a member of that organization for a short period (less than 2 months) before being expelled from it. That was 2 years before this incident occurred. After being expelled she started her own organization that had a very similar name but that had no ties to the original Minutemen organization.

I'm not a fan of the Minutemen but it's grossly inaccurate to state that they were involved in this incident.
 
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"Just remember that every squeeze (not "pull") of the trigger sends a bullet somewhere." Really!?! Ready to argue semantics w/respect to an incident of this sort?

Should everyone know how to handle a gun and be a reasonably proficient shooter. Maybe. Actually the answer is, NO. That's not practical.

Get real. The chick was where she was when she was and people came into her home. They had an objective. Her objective was to finishe her night's sleep and get up and fix breakfast. Should she have called for a timeout while some of us came over and started with dry-fire exercises until we were sure she had the fundamentals?

Get over your superior selves (and I mean those who are lecturing, not those of you who are looking at this as a real event that actually happened). No wonder many think we gunowners have the purpose of prevailing, not of protecting!
 
Double Naught Spy. said this, below

[Stats vary, but according to a firearms instructor in Dallas PD with whom I occasionally associate, something like 60-65% of the time, crimes are committed by more than one perp. There may just be one actor inside doing the job, but 1-2 outside and not always too far outside either. Not all are willing to handle the violent work as they are just drivers or lookouts, but many certainly will. Or you may have 4-5 people rush in as in this case, but there was likely more people outside as well.

So when you hear these stories or see a video of a robbery, chances are that you are not seeing all of the bad guy actors. /QUOTE]

I have read quite a few of this Gentleman's post's, I agree with this one, and most of the others.

First of all, I will not join in stupid statements where because only normally 3 rounds are fired, 5 rounds, are fine, silly, dumb, stupid!

MORE IS BETTER ALWAYS!! 9mm cartridges pay no rent, or devour oxygen!

Some one, not you! Can teach your Wife to load and fire a Glock 19 in one hour, one hour! Place the pistol were you would have it in the bedroom, loaded with AIR!

Have her grab it, point it at a cardboard target in the bed room doorway, eye level, two hands, press...CLICK! Ask her for the pistol, watch the muzzle! Re cock it, put it back, repeat, over and over.

Next trip the range, away from groups, good ear muffs, show how the pistol works, in every way. Same exercise, just AIR loaded. Same pick up aim and CLICK!

From same position that it will be in the house. Take a box in lieu of a table. But pistol loaded. Now one shot, 5 yards, now load two ROUNDS.. Two shots, no rush. Now load 16 (if Glock19) now shoot two/three/four, in bursts. Same cardboard target, same 5 yards.

This gives an overview, please do not spend too much time pulling holes in it, I taught for 23 plus years (500 students a year) We all think differently.



At first the safe use, and muzzle is the main point, then accurate center hits.
Still do not forget the 4 rules. Look for them, you better know them!
Just one Student! Finish with disassembly. and clean, then load and unload!


This is not brain surgery!
 
Wow, that was really out of line.

The Minutemen are a bunch of people who want to have more secure borders, especially with Mexico. They purport to patrol the border areas and report incursions into the US by illegal immigrants. They are not all fat and not all old. They certainly aren't all losers. Some are quite successful in their careers. Some are war heroes with extensive experience playing soldier in the woods.

I don't like their approach or the publicity they appeared to be trying to grab at the time, but that doesn't mean that as individuals they are somehow lacking as DAVIDSDAVID indicates.
War heroes?

They're attention whores, plain and simple. They want to sit around and do nothing while trying to take credit for "securing teh borders." Hullabulloo, says I. I'm sure there are some good people in there that get dragged out there by friends and peer pressure, but the organization is useless at best.
 
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I carry at home just like I do when I leave my home. I'm trained to draw and fire instinctively from my IWB holster, not to look for a gun in a drawer. I could train for that too I suppose but I guess I'm just a one trick pony.

My preference is a 6+1 officer's type .45, but I carry two spare mags. My nightstand gun is an AR, 30+1, with two spare mags in close reach. That should allow me or my wife, who trains a few times a year, to get to the ammo closet and reload if necessary.

I find the off topic flames distasteful.
 
They're attention whores, plain and simple. They want to sit around and do nothing while trying to take credit for "securing teh borders." Hullabulloo, says I. I'm sure there are some good people in there that get dragged out there by friends and peer pressure, but the organization is useless at best.

That sort of implies that your actualy doing something & they are not. So tell us what are you doing to secure our borders ??

What a distasteful and tragic reference for the original OP to use - "shot by the minutemen". Not sure what agenda is presented here - bash the minutemen project , and try to damage their credibility, or discuss firearms and their roll in home protection . Sounds like some of you work for the liberal media - so be it - post your press cards if you wish !
 
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More is always better but it's better to have a revolver you can shoot rather than a semi that you aren't comfortable with.
That being said, the perp in this case, shawna forde, was not a member of the well known Minuteman Civil Defense Corps/Minuteman Project with Jim Gilchrst and Chris Simcox. She was with them for a brief period but left (was ejected?) and formed Minutemen American Defense.
I think it would be a disservice to the Minuteman Project to associate them with this nutjob killer
 
That sort of emplies that your actualy doing something & they are not. So tell us what are you doing to secure our borders ??

It doesn't imply anything.

I am stating that they are useless because they do nothing to stop drug and human trafficking across the borders.

I don't have to be the ultimate border sentry to make an observation
 
Drugs.. cash... home invasion of a known drug house...

sounds like racist felons preying on Hispanic drug trafficers and dealers...

can't see how this has much to do with the Minuteman project...

I wonder why most of the news articles were pulled...

I suspect they were so riduled with wild anti-gun anti-border security speculation that they had to be pulled when the light of the facts came out.
 
This is S&T, folks, not Political. Keep 'em on topic or lose 'em. Every post doesn't have to be X ring, but keep 'em on paper at least.

lpl
 
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