Amount of rounds fired in home invasion

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and if you're concerned about the wife not hitting the target, go to a range, don't give her more shots!
My wife shoots very, very well. She still chooses to keep a 15-round Glock for HD. It's not either/or by any means.

I think thats why I always thought 5 would be enough too, I guess this is just an exception to the rule.
IMO, even if you think you may only need to fire five shots to stop the hypothetical home invasion, you'd want a gun that holds a lot more than 5 rounds, or else you would be totally disarmed until you could get back to your gun safe and find some more ammunition, assuming you don't sleep in you carry gear.

I like the rule of 3's, e.g. make how much you think you'll need no more than 1/3 of your total capacity, to allow plenty of reserve.
 
it sounds like she is working a bolt in the audio.

edit; nevermind.

It's frightening how long it took the cops to get there. I guess they live out in the middle of nowhere though.

And it looks like the crooks used a sawed-off shotgun... ironic they didn't follow the NFA rules.

If someone comes to your door at 1 am dressed as a cop, can you call 911 to verify that those are real cops?

20 minutes seems like an eternity.
 
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Not trying to chest thump here, but is a gun that holds more than 5 rounds really that much of an inconvenience for most people? Sure, you usually won't need a bazillion rounds. I get it. Then again, is having a gun that holds a few more really that big of a hassle that you only want to carry the lowest probable maximum?

Yes, we should all have the gun we shoot well. But if you shoot a 5 shot revolver well, then try to find something similar that holds 6, 7, or 8 rounds. If it is only a .22, there are 10 round .22 revolvers out there.

It has been my impression from reading shooting incidents that folks are much more likely to successfully reload a new magazine into a semi auto than they are to load individual rounds into a revolver (sorry, moon clips and speed loaders were not mentioned). I really would not want to be wounded in the dark and trying to feed rounds into a revolver cylinder while on the phone with 911.

5 rounds is most definitely enough, unless it isn't. Then you need more.
 
I opened a similiar thread yesterday and it got locked. The points you bring up are valid. While I was home on leave I tried to get my wifey out to the range for some practice and she was not interested. Then a couple of days later she tells her sister "It has been so long since I shot my pistol I might have forgot how to load it". I jumped in and reminded her of my offer to take her to the range!! I am back in Iraq and no she did not get to the range. I loaded the revolver, made sure she knew where it was and told her to shoot until it was empty!!
 
FWIW

I understand this is not really a combat situation, but it is documented that there is a direct correlation between shots fired and a victorious outcome in a firefight. Not the number of combatants, or weapons, but rounds fired from each side.

I've also dabbled looking up information about 'shoot throughs' and over penetration in the past, and it seems that it is quite rare that someone gets hurt from a bullet going through a bad guy and wounding an innocent. I believe it was from incidents involving police, from the police aspect, who stated it was rare someone was harmed in this manner, but then presents it's own bias.

It's really for one to decide what they feel comfortable with. Putting myself in the situation, I would much prefer to have shot only the same 5 rounds and have 10 remaining in my weapon ready to go, even if I felt I wouldn't need to use them then find myself on empty trying to decipher if the incident is over.

I won't touch scenarios, but it's a difficult argument in my mind to favor choosing the anticipated number of rounds needed for an incident one never anticipates to more immediate firepower in the hand.
 
Hmmm... these debates are never easy, and can't ever really be settled with any one "right" answer.

I truly believe that for the vast majority of home invasions, having a 5-round weapon would give you at least 3 rounds more than you need. Obviously this isn't always the case, and in some situations you'd want to have as much ammo as you could bring to the table. Again, I'm talking about MOST situations!

Like most folks on this forum, I'm certainly a gun guy! I have a lot of choices at my disposal, ranging from handguns to hunting rifles, shotguns, to a few AR-15s. My bedside weapon choice is not necessarily set in stone, and it does vary a bit from month to month. I always choose a reliable weapon system that I've trained with, and can count on... but I'm not sold on the hypothetical "one right answer" approach.

More to the point of this thread, I currently keep a Remington 870 next to my bed. It is actually one of my work guns, but it seems to also fill the home defense niche fairly effectively. I've got four slugs at my disposal in this weapon, and I don't ever feel out-gunned with that firearm!

If a foreign army should ever invade my home, I suppose that shotgun would at least get me to a higher capacity weapon. I also often have my duty weapon sitting on my nightstand. But, for 99.99% of situations that I'll be likely to encounter at home, I think four rifled slugs will get the job done!
 
Here's a good strategy for home defense. Instead of debating 5-shot revolver vs. high capacity semi-auto, why not have both? Use the revolver for immediate response...(think..."easy to use").... Then use the high-capacity semi-auto as a back-up gun.

I like to have both... Use the different strengths of each type of gun.
 
Instead of a handgun which we all know almost a 100% of people can't shoot includeing cops if she had of had a shotgun to use instead she would have most likely had to have only fired on shot and maybe not even that as that 3/4 inch hole has a habit of cooling down situations fast.
Course it dosn't help when you have to get the cops out of the donut shop in order to respond to a call.
 
This makes no sense to me at all. By your logic all we need to repel a home invader is a cap gun or something else that goes bang. I would contend that she would have been just as affective in causing them to retreat if she had had a j frame and hit one of them with all five rounds.
 
Sheesh everyone gets so edgy on this forum. relax a tad. I am just trying to glean what I can from you guys and real life events that are not hollywood.


I think so far, I am thinking a hi-cap, DA semiauto pistol w/ decocker sounds about right for someone not hugely familiar with guns.

Enough rounds, pull the trigger it goes off, easy to lock up in a small safe, ergonomic.


Alot of times I think the NRA mags and I know in my own imaginiation I envision 1 bad guy. Some guy in a mask stealing my stereo :)

But more and more I hear of multiple determined attackers.

Lets fight against capacity bans on magazines, it looks like sometimes, we really do need them. To fight off quasi-military border nuts among other things.

I do have one more question tho, if you cant trust uniformed officers at your door, what IS the proper procedure to confirm that they are truly police?
 
I'm siding with the "shoot with what you're most comfortable with" crowd on this one. Having a lot of bullets doesn't do any good if you don't know how to shoot the weapon firing them.

That said, I remember a quote from an anonymous USMC major who once said "sometimes it's entirely appropriate to hit a fly with a sledgehammer". My XD has 13+1 rounds of .45 JHP in it at all times. Do I ever expect to fire off that many rounds, much less need the second and third magazines I have loaded? No. Maybe if the People's Liberation Army assaults my apartment... But I digress.

If I need to shoot twice, I'll shoot twice. If I need to empty the mag and reload, I'll do so. There's no rule saying that you have to expend every round in the weapon in a situation.

Although, in retrospect, if I've slide-locked on 14 rounds of .45...I should probably just run away instead of reloading :D
 
M4d: Although, in retrospect, if I've slide-locked on 14 rounds of .45...I should probably just run away instead of reloading

That's when a guy could really welcome the USMC...

Parker
 
It's my understanding they are not Minutemen, but a fringe group with felony criminal records.
They targeted a known drug-house for profit.
They are not Patriots.
Sure, the shooters in the OP might not have been directly related to the Minutemen Project...

but Minutemen...
Patriots?
Are you kidding?
 
But more and more I hear of multiple determined attackers.

Stats vary, but according to a firearms instructor in Dallas PD with whom I occasionally associate, something like 60-65% of the time, crimes are committed by more than one perp. There may just be one actor inside doing the job, but 1-2 outside and not always too far outside either. Not all are willing to handle the violent work as they are just drivers or lookouts, but many certainly will. Or you may have 4-5 people rush in as in this case, but there was likely more people outside as well.

So when you hear these stories or see a video of a robbery, chances are that you are not seeing all of the bad guy actors.
 
I think it depends alot on your training, if you have had or not, I got caught with my "pants down" by a gang of home invaders, I being armed with only a backup .25 acp and 5 rounds in the clip, it turned real ugly, timing and movement being a key factor, with accuracy a third benefit, all in all total shots fired were 11, that after i somehow managed to reload a spare mag (was crazy with a micro pistol). Dodged one quick looping shot and fired the remaining at the getaway vehicle and his buddy. The fight took place at 2 different parts of the property, as initially 2 were sent on the attack, and the ensuing confusion gave me the edge (story cut short as not to discuss the ugly part).

Moral, hmmm i wouldnt mind a 5 shot wheel gun, but definitely with 2 reload clips. Better yet not get caught unawares again.
 
Sure, the shooters in the OP might not have been directly related to the Minutemen Project...

but Minutemen...
Patriots?
Are you kidding?

Mighty hasty to condem a group of people based on simple association with wanting to stop illegal trespass . This operation was not done by the Minutemen, so stop trying to put their name on it ! If you got a bone to pick with them then at least keep it factual .
 
I just think the whole idea of choosing a handgun is wrong. You can debate 5 rounds to 10 or 12 all day.
The answer is filling the door they are comming through with multiple projectiles. The home defence shotgun beats the handgun.
 
i am unfamiliar with the story but from reading whats been said so far this is the reason my wife has her gun and i have mine. She has a .38 snub that is a good fit for her and she could operate it blindly if needed. she knows that 5 rounds wont get her far with an adrenaline dump but it will certainly keep someone at bay with her speedloader and 2 speedstrips she has 20 rounds ready to dispatch and can reload quicker than someone can run down our hallway. i have my g19 i keep condition 1 at all times unless im cleaning it plus i have an extra 15rounder attached to my holster so grabbing the gun im good for 31 rounds that are stacked alternately jhp then fmj to avoid a potential underpenetration. i also keep an extra 15 rounder in my wifes nightstand with her speedloaders and another loaded 15rounder in our ammo case. thats 61 rounds of 9mm before a single mag has to be reloaded. if after the 30 rounds i initially have of 9mm havent worked i will probably be reaching for the mossy 500 that is 3 feet from my g19 it is loaded with 00 buck with rifled slugs on a side saddle. Overboard yes but point is my weapons are meant for HD so i keep em ready as possible and have made sure my wife is proficient in their operations incase something bad were to happen to me.
 
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